dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by dhw, Sunday, March 10, 2019, 10:23 (2083 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Part of my thought pattern is the recognition, to which you also ascribe, that living organisms need energy to exist during all the 3.8 billion years of evolution. But above you ignore all that.

dhw: The obvious fact that all organisms need food provides no support for your combination of hypotheses: sole purpose H. sapiens, full control, and billions of years spent designing anything but H. sapiens.

DAVID: Again you question why God waited and evolved life in stages. I can only answer it was His choice. And therefore a big bush of life to supply food for all stages. Totally logical.

I am not questioning why your God evolved LIFE in stages. I am questioning why, if your God’s only aim was to produce the brain of H. sapiens, he produced anything but that brain for billions of years until 300,000 years ago. Totally illogical.

DAVID: Since He decided to slowly evolve the human brain, all of the necessary bush of life had to be in place so every form at every advancing stage had to be part of an econiche of the balance of nature to eat the food needed for energy to exist until the next stage was designed.

dhw: The whole issue revolves round your fixed belief that your God decided to “slowly evolve the human brain”, which was his one and only purpose. See above for the illogical combination of your hypotheses, but you cling to them as if they were a fact: “Since he decided…” Maybe he decided to create a bush of life!

DAVID: Of course the bush was His decision.

So maybe he set out with the purpose of creating a bush, and not with the purpose of “slowly evolving the human brain”.

DAVID: You try to present a picture of God running helter-skelter in all directions at once until He got His act together and got to the point of popping in our advanced brains.

dhw: That is YOUR hypothesis! You have him designing millions of life forms etc. extant and extinct (helter-skelter in all directions) until he specially designed the only thing he wanted to design (got his act together).

DAVID: Not helter-skelter but obviously as food supply.

And God said: “I am in full control and I do desire to produce nothing but the brain of H. sapiens, and therefore I will specially produce millions of different non-sapiens life forms to eat or not eat one another, and to come and go, until I decide to specially produce the brain of H. sapiens.” And you think this is “totally logical”.

dhw: I do not accept your inexplicable (and hence unreasonable) version of his combined purpose and method, and that is why I offer theistic alternatives which you recognize as being logical and reasonable, but regard as unacceptable because I am agnostic and because they contradict your fixed beliefs.

DAVID: I have my fixed beliefs which I have logically explained to my satisfaction. Observers can decide for themselves who is closer to the truth, which we cannot fully ascertain.

On Friday 1 March 2019, you wrote: “Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time.” Now all of a sudden you have logically explained it to your satisfaction. Do please share the secret with us.