dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, March 11, 2019, 10:27 (596 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Again you question why God waited and evolved life in stages. I can only answer it was His choice. And therefore a big bush of life to supply food for all stages. Totally logical.

dhw: I am not questioning why your God evolved LIFE in stages. I am questioning why, if your God’s only aim was to produce the brain of H. sapiens, he produced anything but that brain for billions of years until 300,000 years ago. Totally illogical.

DAVID: That is simple human logic. I don't know why God made His choice, but that is what I have to accept. We've already tried out all the possible reasons. WE can't prove any of them. It is your problem, not mine.

You don’t know why your God would have made the choice you insist he made, so maybe that is not the choice he made. You don’t HAVE to accept your own illogical theistic interpretation, especially if there are other theistic interpretations that are logical.

DAVID: Of course the bush was His decision.

dhw: So maybe he set out with the purpose of creating a bush, and not with the purpose of “slowly evolving the human brain”.

DAVID: You are back with another guess.

Of course. But my guess explains why your in-full-control God created a bush instead of – as in your guess – the only thing he wanted to create, the brain of H. sapiens. And now your only reply is:

DAVID: It doesn't fit your human logic. So?

And it doesn’t fit your human logic either. So why do you assume that your God would act in ways you believe to be illogical when there are other explanations of his actions which you accept as perfectly logical? Imagine your response to an atheist who told you that your two books presenting the logical arguments for design and hence for your God’s existence were wrong because an impersonal universe doesn't follow your "simple human logic". Would you accept such reasoning?

DAVID: I have my fixed beliefs which I have logically explained to my satisfaction. Observers can decide for themselves who is closer to the truth, which we cannot fully ascertain.

dhw: On Friday 1 March 2019, you wrote: “Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time.” Now all of a sudden you have logically explained it to your satisfaction. Do please share the secret with us.

DAVID: My honest answer to your question is above as you quote. I do not, and cannot, know. It is logically explained to those of us who have accepted God that He is in charge and has the right to choose a method. You have agreed to that in the past.

I agree 100% that if he exists he is in charge and has the right to choose a method, and I agree 100% that neither you nor I can know the objective truth. That is no reason for rejecting my logical hypotheses and trying to justify your own illogical hypotheses on the grounds that I am only human. Aren’t you human too?

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