dhw: big brain evolution:comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Monday, March 25, 2019, 14:34 (260 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Wed, 6 March at 18:38:I believe He is in full control. You are the one who is not sure of that because you don't accept God's powers, and I know that. […]

DAVID: (Thursday 21 March at 18:43) I don't know if God is really all-powerful, as I've considered the issue, and fully understand He might have limits as He directs evolution.

DAVID: […] Full control means He has the total right to choose His method of creation.

dhw: Of course he has the right to choose, but if he has limits, he can’t be in full control!

DAVID: I do not vary. God is in 'full' control, even if He is limited in powers. He runs the show either way. If He cannot have biblical direct creation, and has limits He chooses to evolve. Still in charge. What is your problem?

dhw: Running the show and being in charge are not synonymous with having full control, but in any case, why couldn’t he have biblical direct creation? Your two methods of creation have always been preprogramming and dabbling (= direct creation). It makes no sense to endow him with the power to preprogramme/dabble every stage of humans and yet insist that first he had to preprogramme/dabble millions of other life forms, econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders extant and extinct. You keep agreeing that you have no idea why he would have chosen to spend 3.5+ billion years not designing the only thing he wanted to design, so perhaps we should just leave it at that, since you are happy with your inexplicable mixture of hypotheses and presumably with your earlier explanation that God’s logic is different from ours (i.e. yours and mine).

dhw: As always you try to gloss over the fact that it is the combination of your hypotheses that defies all logic. All powerful God + one and only purpose + special design of millions of econiches, life forms, lifestyles and lifestyles before specially design of only thing he wants to design = scenario which even you admit you cannot understand.

DAVID: I do understand it. You refuse to follow my reasoning, since your definition of full control differs from mine, See above.

dhw: So when you say you have no idea why your God "chose to evolve humans over time", you mean you do understand it: he chose this method because “full control” means he couldn’t do it any other way, i.e. he had no choice.

Exactly as in the second bold above. You finally understand my thinking, and it is not illogical. But, and there is always a second possibility, He simply made a choice despite being unlimited. We cannot know for sure which is correct. Your constant complaint about an all-powerful God choosing to wait is purely a human 'impatience' style of thinking.


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