Biological complexity: misfolded protein problems (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, September 11, 2017, 13:14 (2630 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I did not say God makes mistakes, you did. He designed the most perfect biological cell division reproduction high speed system could allow. Mechanisms make mistakes. I didn't miss your point.

dhw: I am baffled by your logic. Perfect = without mistakes or faults. You say your God’s design of the system was perfect, but the system he designed makes mistakes at times (= is not perfect). So your God’s perfect design is imperfect. Does this mean your God was incapable of a perfect design because the system he created took over and insisted on making mistakes, which meant he had to invent correcting mechanisms which also made mistakes, because not all organisms survive? Ugh, what a whale-like mess! Meanwhile, you have not responded to my point, which would disentangle all this confusion.

DAVID: You are a stickler for an exact meaning of words. I've modified my original statement with what I've said above. And yes, He recognized the mistakes that can happen in a high speed biologic mechanism so He designed corrective mechanisms, but I'll agree, biologic mechanisms cannot be absolutely perfect, since we see mistakes.

Words are the only instruments we have for expressing our opinions and beliefs, but I am also a stickler for logic, and I can see no logical coherence between your belief in an all-powerful God and the mistakes that happen not only in a high speed biological mechanism but in every other system he has designed. (As a physician you don’t need me to describe those relating to bodies!) Wearing my theist hat, I have suggested that if he is all-powerful, the mistakes are not mistakes at all, but the result of his deliberately inventing a fallible system because a perfect system would be boringly predictable. Once again, you have omitted to comment on this perfectly logical reconciliation between the all-powerful God and the “mistakes” that permeate the system he designed.