Biological complexity:how toxoplasmosis parasitizes (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 03, 2016, 01:00 (2913 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My decision is based on the cellular complexities I have been presenting, and I believe they provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt that cellular intelligence, if any existed, cannot be complex enough to invent the complex biochemistry I present. Later today I will bring the latest diagrams on nuclear membrane pores which are still only partially understood and fantastically complex as far as they are described.
David's comment (on membrane pores): Any reasonable person will see that these pores are extraordinarily complex in structure and function. They obviously require exquisite planning that only a great mind can accomplish. And the complete architecture is not fully elucidated at this time. How much complexity is required to make this point obvious? Not by chance!

dhw: As always, you present the most convincing case against chance, and I agree that any reasonable person will accept it. Indeed, that is a major argument against atheism, which I have accepted from the very beginning. However, it is totally irrelevant to the argument for cellular intelligence, and from the very beginning I have agreed that cellular intelligence may be God-given. You are conflating two issues. The evidence for cellular intelligence comes from scientists who have observed the behaviour of cells. You disagree with them, which is your right, but please don’t try to defend your double standards by pretending that the complexity of the cell precludes the possibility that the cell is intelligent.

Cellular intelligence is not the issue. I present complexity, as you state, to raise this issue: how much complexity will it take for you to recognize that intense mental planning is required to produce that complexity. Primarily there are only two choices, chance development or design of the complexity. Your 'third way' with cellular intelligence assumes cells themselves can work out the exquisite complexity. By offering the 'God-given intelligence' you are not taking a 'third way', you are just coming back to God and joining me. I've agreed God may have provided them with an inventive mechanism. Note we are back to simply chance or God!