Biological complexity: understanding the ribosome (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 07:10 (2679 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Whether this intelligence springs from a god (or in your theistic version has been preprogrammed or dabbled by a god), from chance, or from some form of panpsychism remains open. (Reblak offers another alternative, but we are both waiting to hear a bit more about the nature of Mother Nature!)

DAVID: You are welcome.I cannot accept chance. And I view panpsychism as a variation on universal consciousness, an equivalent of God.

Some forms of panpsychism are indeed a God equivalent, but you know very well that the form I am proposing is totally different: namely, the evolution of zillions of individual consciousnesses from the bottom up (as opposed to your sourceless top-down, know-it-all single god). In my opinion, this is no more and no less likely than the god and the chance hypotheses.

DHW: Where is the cut off point for this intelligence? Is it cellular? Molecular? Atomic? Where is the demarcation for you to say 'There is no intelligence beyond this point"? I only ask because that is where the discussion needs to start really, not at some nebulous, ill defined point in the transition between chemical soup and single cell. Further, this study would seem on the surface to demolish that concept because getting 50+ atypical proteins and a few RNA together at the same time in the same place to form a Ribosome which is incredibly complex and needed in turn to make the infinitely more complex cell requires a great deal more planning and work then I am prepared to accept as coming from inorganic matter.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.