Biological complexity: protozoa sans mitochondria (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, June 03, 2016, 01:42 (3096 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Where does your “therefore” come from? If God put in programmes for every complexification, the complexity mechanism is NOT free, the bush spreads as God wishes and not as “it” wishes, and God does not “only step in to dabble”, he has organized everything!-> dhw: > There is a world of difference between God programming for complexity by creating a mechanism which freely (autonomously) creates its own complexities and God putting in programmes for the creation of every complexity!-God's programming creates complexity which may be free to play with strange results, which would explain the h-p bush. He watches and corrects when necessary. Remember, under my view He controls. Complexity for complexity's sake is not unreasonable.-> dhw: “Can be” fixed reactions, but “can” also be the result of cellular intelligence. Your dogmatic insistence that you are right, although nobody can know which version is true, does not entitle you to dismiss the hypothesis as unworthy of serious consideration. Ts, ts!-You cannot shake my dogma!
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> dhw: Organs such as livers act automatically (or appear to act automatically) once they have been invented. They play their part in all the automatic activities that enable organisms to go on living. Cells and cell communities will only have to use their inventive intelligence firstly to create the organ (my hypothesis attempts to solve the mystery of evolutionary innovation), and secondly to solve new problems.-How does the liver community of cells work out all of the cooperative events they have to invent with the kidney cells. Sounds like whole body cellular cooperation.-> dhw: As for Shapiro agreeing with you, he explicitly states that “living cells and organisms are cognitive (sentient) entities that act and interact purposefully to ensure survival, growth and proliferation. They possess corresponding sensory, communication, information-processing, and decision-making capabilities” -You needn't keep repeating the same quote. I know what he has written. I still consider it hyperbole, emphasis to make a point. The cells care fully endowed as he describes, just automatic.