Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 07:33 (967 days ago) @ David Turell

How cells communicate

This discussion veered right off subject, and really belongs to the thread on David's theory. but I'll leave it here for the time being.

dhw: Forgive me, but you are simply repeating at length the fact that you believe your all-powerful God to be incapable of providing a system without war (bolded). You confirm that the system he designed makes mistakes which despite his omnipotence he sometimes couldn’t correct, and you repeat your belief that “real” life would be impossible if everything worked perfectly. My personal view of an all-powerful God is that he would design what he wanted to design, and so the system we have is the system he wanted. I’m sorry if that seems exceptionally odd to you.

DAVID: Yes, this is the system God wanted and probably had to do it this way as the only system that would work. He fully knew its warts and carefully gave us editing systems for molecular processes and immune systems for the warring aspects. Your complaints simply ask God to do it better. Accept that He can't.

Thank you for saying “probably”. At least that leaves open the possibility that your all-powerful God might have been able to design something different, which is the most I can ask of you. You believe he designed “good” and “bad” viruses, and despite his kind efforts, sometimes the “bad” viruses win. Why should I accept your belief that your all-powerful God was powerless to prevent the bad viruses from winning? But maybe, just maybe, your God did not design the good and the bad. After all, what’s good for us may be bad for certain viruses, so they would see things differently (if they could see). Maybe, just maybe, he simply designed the first viruses and bacteria to work out their own ways of survival.

dhw: (under “Zombies”) Why do you think your kind God designed such horrifying methods of survival? Or do you think maybe he allowed viruses to work out their own ways to survive? And while you ponder these questions, do you think the zombification of caterpillars is part of the goal of evolving humans and our food?

DAVID: All part of God's plan. Certainly viruses are. And the zombie caterpillars are in their own necessary ecosystem.

According to you, God only had one plan: to design humans and their food. All ecosystems are “necessary” for the survival of the life forms within them, but do you believe that the zombie caterpillars were/are “necessary” for us humans and our food?

Stem cells

QUOTE: "Self-generated gradients have now made sense of perplexing behavior in cancer cells, fish embryos, immune cells, bacteria, slime mold, and more — and findings are accumulating rapidly."

DAVID: I simply imagine each cell has a GPS system with the proper endpoint presented which they must follow Just like we use in our cars to reach an intended destination. The designer at work.

dhw: Why do you think your God designed a GPS system for cancer cells?

DAVID: He didn't. Cancer cells are molecular genome mistakes using available normal systems to their advantage. I noted the neat switch trick using my GPS quote above from a different discussion.

The quote above says that self-generated gradients explain cancer cells, and yes, you compared it to a GPS guiding the cells to their intended destination (now bolded), as designed by your God. So I just wondered why your God would have given guidance to cancer cells, as the article states (now bolded).