Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 11:35 (995 days ago) @ David Turell

Immune system complexity

DAVID: All immune system cells develop a memorized library to fight again in the future, all automatic.

dhw: You always forget that each new infection will require absorbing and processing new information, cooperating with other cells, and taking decisions. Only when these are successful will they then become part of the memorized library.

DAVID: Immune cells do that automatically from birth, nothing forgotten.

As I said, you always forget that each volume must have had an origin before it became part of the inherited library.

“Man-made cell” and “Man-made corona virus” and “sending molecules to proper spots”

DAVID: All I said was it is possible God was tweaking a process and suddenly I've made a major concession. The word possible is not the word probable.

dhw: I thought you said: “Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria.” And under “biggest bacterium” I thought you said your God “might try different approaches”. I did not use the word probable either. I am satisfied with the word possible. And I am happy with your agreement that your God might possibly have given cells the autonomous intelligence to direct their molecules, and he himself might possibly have experimented. Thank you.

DAVID: Just a dabble possibility.

Well, yes, you could certainly call experimentation a form of dabbling, and if you like to call bacterial intelligence the result of dabbling, I have no objection. Thank you again for agreeing that both theories are possible. That is all I ask.

Cellular intelligence: started in bacteria

QUOTE: "Though there may never be a definitive answer to the age-old question of what exactly bacteria and humans have in common biologically, Jouline has begun a broader search for sensors that have a role in sustaining life. (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Note my bold. Of course we have biochemical commonality with bacteria. At the start of life many simple biochemical reactions were designed and evolution would carry them forward. That is how evolution works, much to dhw's surprise. Early simple steps lead to later more complex ones built on the early ones.

I’m more than surprised at your total distortion of my views. In my support of Shapiro’s theory, I have laid enormous emphasis on the intelligence of the original cells, and their pooling of intelligences as cells combine and cooperate in producing increasingly complex organs and organisms. I am delighted by the heading you have given to this post, which could hardly be more supportive of my proposal. Just to set the record straight, however, what DOES surprise me is your theory that every single step from simple to complex was “preparation” for humans and “part of the goal of evolving humans” and their food. This, I think, would surprise a lot of scientists and philosophers, especially when even you accept that the majority of life forms resulting from the process had absolutely no connection with humans and their food.