Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 06:56 (780 days ago) @ David Turell

Immune system complexity

DAVID: All immune system cells develop a memorized library to fight again in the future, all automatic.

You always forget that each new infection will require absorbing and processing new information, cooperating with other cells, and taking decisions. Only when these are successful will they then become part of the memorized library.

“Man-made cell” and “Man-made corona virus” and “sending molecules to proper spots”

dhw: […] Where does the "independent intelligent activity" of cells and humans come from?

DAVID: ID answer is molecules have their actions designed into the byplay of all molecular reactions all occurring simultaneously. God gave us our brains as part of His designs.

dhw: You might just as well say that your God gave individual cells and cell communities the ability to direct their molecules intelligently without his having to preprogramme or dabble every single combination and every single solution to every single problem that they will encounter for the rest of history.

DAVID: Exactly! Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria.

dhw: I’m sure you will backtrack on this statement as soon as you realize that you have confirmed the possibility, bolded above, that your God gave cells and cell communities an autonomous intelligence independent of his own. But thank you today for agreeing to what you will no doubt withdraw tomorrow.

DAVID: Your usual twist given to my meaning. I left out the understood word 'automatic' from: "Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria."

dhw: It is not understood. You frequently make statements to confirm the logic of my proposals (especially in relation to “humanization”, but also regarding your own illogical theory of evolution), and then withdraw them when you realize what you have done. Experimentation under “biggest bacterium” was last week’s prime example. I wish you would take your own spontaneous, commonsense insights more seriously, rather than attack me for agreeing with them!

DAVID: All I said was it is possible God was tweaking a process and suddenly I've made a major concession. The word possible is not the word probable.

I thought you said: “Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria.” And under “biggest bacterium” I thought you said your God “might try different approaches”. I did not use the word probable either. I am satisfied with the word possible. And I am happy with your agreement that your God might possibly have given cells the autonomous intelligence to direct their molecules, and he himself might possibly have experimented. Thank you.