Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, March 13, 2022, 15:56 (769 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: My point is that it is perfectly possible for life forms to exist without eating one another. And yet your all-powerful God was apparently unable to design life without there being “a constant war to survive by eating”. Could your God NOT have designed forms of food that wage war? Does grass, for instance, fight to survive by eating? Since there IS a constant war, would it not make more sense to assume (theistic theory) that this is what your all-powerful God intended?

DAVID: The point is every form of life needs an intake of energy.

dhw: Of course it does. Bearing in mind that it is perfectly possible for energy to be provided without us and our fellow animals waging war on one another, please tell us whether the “constant war to survive by eating” was planned by your God or was the unavoidable outcome of his inability to find a system that did not involve such a war?

Eating must occur with red in tooth and claw. I don't see how it can work any other way. You want a pacifist evolution?

Evolution of consciousness (This article is a review)

dhw: Theistic theory: God invents human intelligence, and human intelligence invents thermostats. God invents cellular intelligence, and cellular intelligence invents ways of surviving. You accept the first, but regard the second as impossible. Why? Because you have a fixed belief that your God’s one and only purpose was to design humans plus their food, and so he had to control cellular inventions. But this leads to the absurd notion that he deliberately controlled countless inventions that had no connection with humans and their food – and as you have confessed yet again, you have “no idea why God chose his evolution method”. Maybe that was NOT his evolution purpose or method, and so maybe he did NOT control cellular inventions.

DAVID: Another contorted view of God as the designer of all organisms. See just below:

What is contorted? You believe he designed all organisms: true or false? You believe all organisms were “preparation” for humans plus our food, i.e. part of his “goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus our food. True or false? And you have no idea why he would have designed all the organisms that had no connection with humans plus food. True or false? The exchange below explains absolutely nothing.

Carnivorous plant origin

DAVID: Carnivorous plants can't create digestive enzymes without also simultaneous creating self-protections. Multiple coordinated mutations all at once? Not stepwise Darwinism as you favor.

dhw: Maybe initially some plants died before they perfected the system, just as millions of bacteria die before the survivors perfect their defences.

DAVID: Same blind prayer that step-wise works.

dhw: It works with bacteria, and it even works with humans, since our own history is literally plagued with diseases which kill until we lend your God a helping hand and provide the cures for which he apparently couldn’t plant instructions in our immune system.

Our immune system works just fine in an amazingly accurate way 99% of the time. But yes, we have the ability to help out.