Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 00:48 (975 days ago) @ dhw

BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER CONTROLS

dhw: You may not have noticed, but we are in the midst of a pandemic caused by a virus. Millions of people have died or been permanently damaged, and your God’s instructions have apparently not yet come into play.

DAVID: What don't you follow? Recent studies show many areas with vaccinations used, there is a 95% herd immunity, although vaccination rates are still around 50+%! Herd immunity is from God's immune system. Media hysteria is coloring your views. Do I need to cover this information arena also?

dhw: The media tell us that so far there have been over 6 million deaths from Covid-19, with over 600,000 of them in the USA. But the media also suggest that this is a huge underestimate, and the figures could be as high as 18 million deaths. Is this “media hysteria”?

You fall hook life and sinker for the hype media uses to frighten you. In 1919 the US lost 600,000 with 110,000,000 population. At 330,000,000 now we have lost just over 600,000. So do the math. Don't you see the improvement the time around? Of course not, only the Garden of Eden satisfies you , were no blood is shed.

Bird migration

DAVID: The birds went 10,000 miles plus and had 360 degrees of direction to do it in. So in your view they simply flew off directionless for many days with no built-in preparation of extra calories/fuel, discovered a great feeding warm spot and they decided to fly back each year and do it all over again, incidentally using the magnetic field receptors they somehow had on board!! The birds easily planned it in your just-so mind.

dhw: You asked about the first attempt – i.e. the origin of migration. Your account is exactly what I am suggesting, and I don’t know why you suddenly bring in planning. Now would you please answer the question you keep ignoring: Why is it OK for God to choose a spot thousands of miles away, but “just-so woolly” if birds find the spot themselves?

DAVID: You forget, my view is God set up the migrations. I've shown how difficult it would be for birds to do it themselves, especially over 10,000 miles. Your view fits a few hundred miles of easy flying.

dhw: How can I have forgotten when I keep asking you why your God chose a spot 10,000 miles away? And why won’t you answer? We all know what a wonder it is that they manage to fly so far, but the fact is that they did and they do. What exactly is your theory as to how it all started?

In your view the birds found the spot! Not God! What is your reasonable answer?

How cells communicate

DAVID: Nicely evading the point. A molecular signal triggers another automatic molecular signal, no current thought involved. The thought was in the designer's mind long before the reactions.

dhw: It is you who are evading the point which you yourself raised with your question. If an invader tries to destroy one of my cell communities (organs), although I myself am not sending any signals, the message will be conveyed by the organ itself to the cells that specialize in fighting invaders. The molecules carry the information and the cells respond. The question is what processes the new information and composes the message that is to be carried by the molecules. If you think God has provided the molecules with every single message that will ever be conveyed throughout the animal kingdom for the rest of time, so be it. I suggest it is more likely that he designed the mechanism which processes each new piece of information and composes the message that the molecules then automatically convey to the intended recipients. It is the processing and the decision making that are NOT automatic and demand intelligence.

Wrong!!! Invaders are immediate3ly sensed by neutrophils, immune attack cells, before any cell committees even react. That is God's real mechanism! At the sane time molecular signals call in further reinforcements. The bold is true but not as you intended.

Vagus nerve organ signals

DAVID: the word 'code' is used over and over. Code simply stands for information. This exquisite design was set up in animals when they first appeared with complexity. i think it must have started with the Cambrian organisms. Such automaticity is required for living freely.

dhw: Of course it is required. And so too is the intelligence which processes the information and composes the relevant messages. Your reference to the Cambrian reminds me of the fact that you believe the animals from which we are descended were designed without any precursors, which contradicts your theory that evolution is a continuous process including an unbroken line from bacteria to humans. I am the one who believes in continuity, but continuity does not mean that all life forms were preparation for humans and their food.

Full distorted twist again. Proper biochemistry existed in Edicarans. Cambrian was simply additional phenotypic change, as all evolved from each other biochemically.