Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, February 11, 2022, 13:37 (1014 days ago) @ David Turell

I've done some more juggling of entries to make the discussion more coherent,

dhw: You have just told us that ID-ers accept cellular intelligence designed by God, and now you tell us that cells are not intelligent but follow instructions. What did you mean when you said that ID-ers “accept so-called cell intelligence” from God’s design, if you did not mean that they accept so-called cell intelligence from God’s design?

DAVID: No change in ID or my view of their theory about cell intelligence. Final repeat: cells act as if they are innately intelligent, but are simply following intelligent information in their genome.

dhw: You don’t need to repeat your fixed belief. The point here is that you have persistently argued that cellular intelligence has no current followers – ignoring all the websites I have referred you to. You then suggested that your theory was the norm in ID, but now it turns out that ID-ers accept that God (though not mentioned by name) is the designer of cellular intelligence. Thank you for enlisting ID-ers to support Shapiro’s theory (and mine).

DAVID: Remember the cells follow God's instructions and are not independent of them.

That is your fixed belief!

DAVID: As for Shapiro, and his bacterial studies, the bacterial ability to edit DNA is required to survive their battles as free-living single-celled organisms. What that might translate into in the evolution of higher forms is pure theory.

It’s an excellent piece of evidence for the theory of cellular intelligence proposed by many scientists past and present, and as you have now informed us, these also include ID-ers.

DAVID: Total distortion of my statement: I'll repeat, cells follow God's designed instructions in their genomes to look and act as if innately intelligent. Pure ID.

Yet again, you merely repeat your rigid beliefs. Your statement was: “Many Ph.D. folks are in the ID corps. They all accept so-called cell intelligence is from God’s design.” You have also in the past said that lots of ID folk love Shapiro. “Cell intelligence” is the exact opposite of “following instructions” so, once again, please explain how your ID-ers can accept what we call cell intelligence from God’s design if they don’t accept that cell intelligence exists and was designed by God. Conversely, are you quite certain that all your ID-ers espouse the theory that your God has provided instructions for every single development in the history of evolution, including every lifestyle, solution to problems, econiche, natural wonder etc. – apart from those which he popped in to dabble?