Cellular intelligence (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, February 28, 2022, 11:08 (781 days ago) @ David Turell

Magic embryology

DAVID: Remember I am trying to open your mind.

dhw: There is something slightly odd in the concept of a person with rigid beliefs trying to open the mind of someone who has no rigid beliefs. But I will not deny that you have opened my mind to areas of human knowledge that I knew very little about when I started this website 14 years ago. For this (and our personal friendship) I shall always be grateful.

DAVID: Through all the debate our friendship is a pleasure. You still recognize the requirement for design but not a designer.

Yes, in the sense that I find it just as difficult to believe in a first cause top-down designer (your God) as in first cause bottom-up designers (rudimentary, panpsychic intelligences that evolve into higher intelligences). I am, of course, wrong one way or the other. But which way?

“Man-made cell” and “Man-made corona virus” and “sending molecules to proper spots”

dhw: […] Where does the "independent intelligent activity" of cells and humans come from?

DAVID: ID answer is molecules have their actions designed into the byplay of all molecular reactions all occurring simultaneously. God gave us our brains as part of His designs.

dhw: You might just as well say that your God gave individual cells and cell communities the ability to direct their molecules intelligently without his having to preprogramme or dabbbble every single combination and every single solution to every single problem that they will encounter for the rest of history.

DAVID: Exactly! Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria.

dhw: I’m sure you will backtrack on this statement as soon as you realize that you have confirmed the possibility, bolded above, that your God gave cells and cell communities an autonomous intelligence independent of his own. But thank you today for agreeing to what you will no doubt withdraw tomorrow.

DAVID: Your usual twist given to my meaning. I left out the understood word 'automatic' from: "Human biochemistry runs on many processes God put into original bacteria."

It is not understood. You frequently make statements to confirm the logic of my proposals (especially in relation to “humanization”, but also regarding your own illogical theory of evolution), and then withdraw them when you realize what you have done. Experimentation under “biggest bacterium” was last week’s prime example. I wish you would take your own spontaneous, commonsense insights more seriously, rather than attack me for agreeing with them!