Miscellany (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 15:39 (928 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: . God drives evolution and sustainable survival is simply required.

dhw: So if survival is required, and your God makes the changes that lead to speciation in order to improve the organism’s required chances of survival, how does that come to mean that “survival has nothing to do with the appearance of new species”?

The quote means, as you know, means survival dos not produce the next species in evolution, God does.

Crocodiles change skull forms

dhw: As usual, you dodge the issue. Autonomous intelligence does not exclude God the designer. It simply changes the method he would have used to fulfil his purposes.

DAVID: I don't dodge your rigid theories. Autonomous cell intelligence is unproven theory based on the outside appearance of how cells work. […]

dhw: Of course the theory is unproven, as is your own theory of automaticity, but you have as usual dodged the point, which is that autonomous intelligence does not exclude a designer, and so your conclusion from “straight biochemistry” is no more and no less a “hope” than Shapiro’s, which also allows for a designer.

DAVID: And I feel the RNA article follows standard text book theory that cells automatically produce all their products.

dhw: I respect your feelings, and I wish you would acknowledge the point that your theory is no less “hopeful” than mine, and cellular intelligence – a theory supported by some notable experts in the field who also deserve respect – does not exclude a designer God but (if he exists) simply changes the method he uses to achieve whatever his purpose might be.

My answer is in 'giraffe' today: "like all cell processes, the output of required product never changes. You eat and your stomach cells produce acid, automatically, every meal!!! Immune cells work the same way!!! Accept it, even if you want cells to think to fit your pet theories. Kinney (above) is looking for what I describe. Many of my 'design entries' here is the result he is looking for: how the molecules do it." The cells are automatic in their actions.