Miscellany (General)

by David Turell , Thursday, July 29, 2021, 17:31 (1213 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Go back and look at all the entries on the amazing immune system. we are born with general protections and are designed to learn about every invader with newly developed responses we create. We are designed for future problem's by making new answers de novo.

dhw: Thank you for this excellent summary of the process I have been describing. […] At last you have cottoned on.

Will you never realize design in advance of existence requires anticipating future needs and uses? Our immune system fits that requirement exactly.

DAVID: You are the cottoning one. Have you really recognized God's design for protection?

Yes, you’ve just described it: we are designed to learn about new problems (invaders) and then create/develop new responses (de novo) to new problems. We are not preprogrammed to do so, or offered courses. This autonomous ability of ours may have been designed by your God. Thank you for at last accepting the theory and for describing it so accurately...

The bold is so wrong. Our basic design by God has the cells respond as needed to new invaders.

Immunity system complexity

DAVID: Yes, from information God implanted in them.

dhw: If they remember prior results,learn from experience, and use what they have remembered and learned, what information has your God “implanted” in them?

How to do the exactly what the bold asks. They learn from experience and respond appropriately by God's instructions.

Earliest pre-Cambrian animals
QUOTE: "If sponges existed 890 million years ago, then the origin of animals must have occurred much earlier than previous fossils have suggested.”

DAVID: Very simple early animals had to have a start in our past. Doesn't fill the Cambrian gap.

dhw: I'm glad you accept that simple animals must have existed, even though no fossils have yet been found. Please note: the cell communities have just been given an extra 300 million years to design the new complexities.

The fossils are what I presented! The earliest animals. The time was always there.

New extremophiles
QUOTE: "Organisms that use other sources of energy besides solar energy exist pretty much everywhere on the planet," said Caitlin Casar. […] "You can find them at the surface of the Earth, you can find them in soil, you can find them deep in the Earth's crust, you can find them at the bottom of the ocean, in the ocean's water column, in the air.”

DAVID: Organisms can live anywhere they wish. Life was designed to appear and survive from the beginning. Only by design.

dhw: If they can live anywhere they wish, doesn’t that suggest to you a free-for-all? And doesn’t it suggest that, if your God exists, he actually designed cells in such a way that they could live and survive by autonomously adapting to whatever conditions they encountered and by solving whatever problems came their way? Or do you believe that each of them follows instructions/is given a divine course on how to extract energy from their own special surroundings, and on how to counter every other threat to their survival?

God initially designed life to be as tough as these examples. Your bold is exactly right and then you backtrack. Of course I believe God gave them instructions on extracting energy in many ways.