Miscellany (General)

by David Turell @, Monday, July 19, 2021, 20:47 (394 days ago) @ dhw

Humans correcting errors

DAVID: My view of God's powers is not far-fetched. I firmly accept that God designs the complexity of living biochemistry.

dhw: The above does not dispute the reasonableness of your belief that your God designed the complexity of living biochemistry. It challenges the reasonableness of believing that he popped in zillions of times to individually design every new life form etc., as bolded above. Why do you insist on answering a question by changing its terms?

You, as a non-believer, question my beliefs. We differ, so we dicuss.

Detergent defenses

DAVID: Again a non-answer which is not deliberate. It shows me you do not understand the problem. The bacteria making the new detergent will kill itself without a built-in protective mechanism. It must invent both simultaneously to be a successful advance. That must require new information developed in its DNA (think Shapiro) for both new processes. No time for trial and error over survival steps, per Darwin. Design, all at once, is the only fit, logically.

dhw: You may be right about this particular problem. The article mentioned the ability of the APOL3 to “distinguish between bacterial membranes and host membranes” and admired the elegant way evolution had found to “control this powerful tool”. This seemed to me to illustrate my general observation that cells are directed by their own intelligence, and problems always precede solutions. But I’m in no position to discuss the precise details of this one individual process.

Thank you for recognizing the design problem.

Immunity system complexity

DAVID: I've just shown you immune cells are programmed to protect us without God stepping in each time we get sick. Many parts of our bodies work just that way.

dhw: The cells contain information/instructions/a programme from God enabling cells to solve
problems without your God stepping in. But each new problem is different. The cells
must make new adjustments. The information/instructions/programme would have to
be colossal to cover every problem for the rest of time. And so once more: Why do you
think it is impossible for your God to have given cells the intelligence to work out each
solution as each new problem arose?

Cells cannot design for the future. The immune cells can analyze a present problems b ecaue their instructions tell them how.

New life evolves earth’s climate
QUOTE: However, this climate instability, in turn, helps to accelerate evolution." (David’s bold)

DAVID: My main point you missed, or I poorly referred to it, is: God prefers to create by evolution of all aspects of reality. Explains why He evolved us. Only the BB is direct creation, as an initiation must be.

dhw: Again, no one would deny that the earth itself has evolved. One might ask why an all-powerful God who is in total control couldn’t come up straight away with conditions that were needed for his one and only goal – humans and their lunch – but that will only lead us round in the same circles: we mustn’t query the logic of your theories.

Keep it simple. God, who can do anything, chose to evolve us by design.

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