Miscellany (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, July 07, 2021, 15:00 (1233 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Of course I must discuss a non-human God in humans personality terms.

dhw: Then would you please stop criticizing me for using human personality terms when you do exactly the same, and instead focus on the logic of our respective theories.

Off point. My image of your God, based on what He does, is that He is very human in thought and planning. The difference is I don't view my God as human or having human desires. Using the human terms we have to use is a truism.

Ant raft movements
DAVID: In bird flocks, bacterial colonies, or in ants the limited individual actions
DAVID: God did not design/program swarms which are automatic results of specific individual action.

dhw:...You pooh-pooh the idea. Presumably you prefer the theory that your God preprogrammed the solutions 3.8 billion years ago, or popped in to give ants the appropriate lessons or algorithms?

Your distorted view if this particular discussion. Individual action creates the swarm, yes or no?

Bacterial motors 1
DAVID: The point is not your reply. How does evolution add useless parts until the proper form of a useful motor is present?

dhw: We have no idea how or when these different parts evolved, but may I suggest that in whatever combination and at whatever time they evolved, they were not useless.

DAVID: Wishful Darwinist thought. A partially complete mechanism cannot be used!!! Be logical.

dhw: Neither you nor I can have the slightest idea what was or wasn’t useful. A light sensitive nerve may have been useful to its owner, even if it wasn’t an eye. A wheel is not a motor car. But I’m obviously in no position to make any kind of statement on the subject. I am merely querying the authority of the authors’ claim that the flagellum could not have evolved. Bearing in mind that there are different types of bacteria, here is a different view:
Evolution of flagella - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella.....deleted.

dhw: Different writers, different theories.

I know the theory I deleted. It is mental invention of possibilities without a smidgen of proof. All we can know for fact is a complete amazing machine that works an d is obviously designed.

Root microbiome helps plants
DAVID: All the branches of evolution are necessary cooperative organisms to maintain life during evolution's steps. dhw seems confused about the issue.

dhw: Such cooperation is necessary at all times and for all forms of life, but that does not mean that at all times every form of life and cooperation was individually designed by your God, or that every form of life and cooperation was part of his one and only goal of specially designing humans and their lunch. You seem confused about the issue that is in dispute, as you keep leaving it out.

DAVID: I leave out nothing. You object to my God as designing everything. If you accept the existence of design, a designer must exist.

dhw: The existence of a designer is not the issue we are discussing. I object to your theory that, although your God's sole purpose was to design humans and their lunch, he designed every life form, lunch, etc., 99% of which had no connection to humans. You have no idea why he would have chosen such a method to fulfil such a purpose, and so you continue to edit your theory by leaving out the bits which do not fit together, or by changing the subject.

I simply accept that God chose to evolve us from bacteria. I don't understand how you can object to that belief