Miscellany (General)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, September 07, 2021, 15:59 (46 days ago) @ dhw

New amphibious whale
dhw: Why is it more difficult and cumbersome for God to invent a single mechanism which will be capable of autonomously making each decision, performing each operation, coping with each new situation, than for him to keep popping in and doing it all himself "hands on"?

DAVID: In human designing. if you do it yourself it is much easier than telling someone else how to do it and reach the proper desired result. I've been there as previously described.

dhw: Telling someone else means giving them instructions! I agree with you completely. In the theistic theory of cellular intelligence, your God has given cells the ABILITY to do the designing all by themselves, i.e. first-hand! “Much easier” for him than having to pop in and give them lessons on how to deal with every single new situation and on how to invent every innovation. Thank you for this excellent argument.

DAVID: And my view is organisms don't have God's designing capacities, just His instructions.

dhw: I know your view. Now how about answering the bolded question above?

Repeat: "DAVID: In human designing. if you do it yourself it is much easier than telling someone else how to do it and reach the proper desired result. I've been there as previously described. Applies to the way I view God and His relationship to instruction-giving. He instructs cells in how to do their work, nothing more.
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DAVID: I haven't changed from an analyzing your God's "works" as indicating a human-style imagined God.

dhw: I was quoting your own guesses as to why we are here. I find them very feasible. Why are you now dismissing your own ideas as “human-style”? And what’s wrong with your own supportive theory that we “mimic him in many ways”?[/quote]

Old ground. I've told you I've made guesses at your behest. Just guesses.
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Introducing the brain
DAVID: I think He dabbled hominin neurons to fit our consciousness needs.

dhw: So does that mean he gave them the ability to make their own decisions, or that he preprogrammed all their decisions 3.8 billion years ago, or that he pops in to give them instructions for every single decision?

DAVID: I said dabble the neurons' current abilities, so they can work on their own. I'd better add, following God's implanted instructions.

dhw: How can they work on their own if they follow instructions?[/quote]

By following instructions, as discussed before. They cannot invent new ways of acting beyond the instructions.
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dhw: So every time there is a new problem he pops in to increase the neurons’ ability to follow the instructions he laid down 3.8 billion years ago? This is getting just a little confusing. How about a different, much simpler theory: 3.8 billion years ago, he provided cells with the ability/intelligence to solve problems all by themselves?

DAVID: You wish!!! I believe in evolution by selective design or descent by common design. When humans arrived those neurons had their necessary design.

dhw: Necessary for what? My proposal agrees that when humans arrived, neurons already had the design (the ability/intelligence) necessary for them to be able to solve their problems by themselves, without divine instructions and dabbling. But you propose that your God dabbled the current abilities of neurons (i.e.they weren’t already there), and instructions simply tell neurons what to do, so what exactly was already “designed” when humans arrived if it was not the autonomous ability/intelligence to solve problems?[/quote]

Covered above. The neurons were designed with full instructions to cover the abilities we are now discovering they have in the previously study entry.


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