Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning Part One (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, May 08, 2021, 15:55 (1293 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You've simply agreed with me. We are both agreeing the cells were used, but eventually discarded as excess.

dhw: It took a while to persuade you that the cells were used, and you are still telling us that they were excessive from the beginning (“excess cells were on board the moment sapiens big brain arrived”), which means they were NOT used! And you are still saying it was the new cells that were eventually discarded, whereas we don’t know which cells were discarded.

That 150 cc of cells were eventually discarded can only mean they were excessive for future use. It doesn't matter which cells were discarded as beside the point of this discussion. Lightly used cells became useless and were removed by complexification.

DAVID: What you object to is my concept of God knowing in advance those extra cells would become excess cells as we got to really use our brains and complexification tailored our brain to our preferred usages. A prime example of God's pre-planning.

dhw: Once more: we do not know if the extra cells later became excessive,....More muddle.

Your muddle. There was shrinkage after complexification tailored our brain to our use creating excess cells/neurons.

dhw: We do NOT agree! They were NOT excess or redundant when they arrived! You have agreed that they were used! Please stop contradicting yourself!

DAVID: No contradiction. God planned for them to be eventually discarded as you have just described.

dhw: I have not described any such thing! I have disputed your claim that they arrived “with excess”, I have not mentioned any divine plan, and we do not know which cells were discarded.

It is of no matter which ones were removed. Strawman.

DAVID: God's instructions allowed the cells to have autonomous actions following the given information with the cells God-given decoding ability.

dhw: In plain English, your God gave cells the ability to complexify and expand without his interference. These autonomous actions could only take place if cells were aware of requirements and were able to take the decisions necessary to meet those requirements. Once again, thank you for accepting my theory. Do you agree or disagree that autonomous awareness and decision-making denote intelligence?

DAVID: The cells knew what to do in complexification from God's instructions.

dhw: In other words, your God created the mechanism enabling them to decide what to do.

Of course.

DAVID: Then yes, they could act in an autonomous fashion adding designed circuitry using some neurons from the excess of neurons God provided so humans could do free-will tailoring of their new big brain, with the brain eventually shrinking by 150 cc taking the excess neurons out of the picture. Makes perfect sense to one who believes in God.

dhw: You’ve almost grasped my theory, except that you are still insisting that the new cells were excessive – contradicting your agreement that they were used – and “the excess neurons” seems to suggest the discarded neurons were the same ones, whereas we don’t know which neurons BECAME excessive. Otherwise, the process itself makes perfect sense whether you believe in God or not. Meanwhile, do you agree or disagree that autonomous awareness and decision-making denote intelligence?

Future loss of neurons means the big brain started bigger and then shrunk with new uses and complexification discarded excess neurons. Didn't the brain shrink? The intelligence in your question is from the intelligent instructions the brain cells followed given by God.