Evolution: frog adaptation (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, September 28, 2017, 14:34 (2611 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Once again you have God giving organisms the ability to speciate as an alternative to my approach. At the same time you have allowed God to dabble. This means in your thinking God can control all of evolution if He wishes. But at the same time you propose He lets things run along producing what the organisms wish to invent. So basically you are inventing God in two ways! I chose one approach. I don't think you can have it both ways. But since you don't accept God, I'm not surprised. My bush is balance of nature, which explanation satisfies me. It is required.

dhw: My non-aceptance/non-rejection of your God has nothing to do with the way we think he might have operated. You have now agreed that he has created a show which he watches with interest in his own special way. As the all-powerful creator, of course he can let the show run itself or he can interfere if he feels like it. There is nothing contradictory in this. Humans use such options all the time as circumstances change. But your “one approach” entails a show which has the prime purpose of producing the brain of Homo sapiens, while at the same time it also entails your God specially creating the whale in eight different stages, designing the weaverbird’s nest, equipping moths and frogs with poisons that won’t harm them, preparing monarch butterflies for their migration, plus millions of other innovations, lifestyles and natural wonders, 99% of which have come and gone. Clearly they have nothing to do with producing the brain of Homo sapiens, and you have agreed that “balance of nature” means nothing more than that life goes on, regardless of whether humans are there or not. So could it be that you are now saying your God specially designs all these things for the sake of the show (of which humans are simply one part), which he watches with interest in his own special way?

I've not changed and neither have you. Balance of nature is absolutely necessary to produce the human brain, exactly to keep solve the issue of 'life goes on' by providing the necessary energy supply, The brain is the current endpoint of evolution. The possibility of a 'show' is your side issue. I see God full of purpose, not theatrics, which might be a favorite subject of yours as a playwright.