Evolution: fish to land animals transition (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 09, 2020, 15:14 (1443 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: If your God exists, he chose evolution as his method of producing the universe, planet Earth, and EVERY life form, not just us. Nothing illogical. Evolution has produced millions of life forms. Nothing illogical. It is perfectly logical for a theist like yourself to theorize that God designed every life form out of preceding life forms (= common descent). One of those life forms is humans. Nothing illogical. Humans are unique, and God may have deliberately designed them too. Nothing illogical. So far so good. But now we come to the illogical parts of your theory: 1) if God’s ONLY PURPOSE was to create H. sapiens and his food supply, why would he have chosen to directly design millions of life forms and food supplies which died out long before the first humans came on the scene and which had no connection with humans? 2) How could millions of life forms and food supplies that had no connection with humans have been “part of the goal of evolving humans?” […]
I suggest that you stick with your occasional response: namely, you have no idea why he would have chosen the theoretical means of fulfilling the theoretical purpose bolded at the start of this post. We could leave it at that.

DAVID: You have described your version of a God with tunnel vision.

dhw: I have not described any version of God. I have listed those of your premises which I find logical, and those of your premises which illustrate your own illogical tunnel vision. You have not answered the two questions that are the points at issue.

I can't answer them because I find your reasoning behind the points totally illogical from my point of view. You refuse to accept the answers I have given which shows how restricted your view is.

DAVID: In your view all God is supposed to see is a final version of humans with enough consciousness to be a very different form of organism. Your quasi-theistic attempts at imagining God are nothing like mine.

dhw: I have not said a word about what God is supposed to see. I have asked two questions concerning your own version of what God did to achieve his one and only purpose.

And I've answered. History tells us God chose to evolve us.

DAVID: I have analyzed God as preferring to evolve His goals/ purposes, and you have not disagreed.

dhw: Of course not. If God exists, and since I believe evolution happened, it would be idiotic to argue that he did not use evolution to “evolve his goals/purposes”, though part of your problem has always been that you limit his goals/purposes to the single one of producing H. sapiens and his food supply, and therefore cannot explain why he would have directly designed so many life forms that have no connection with H. sapiens and his food supply.

Same distortion. You accept evolution and then state God should not have followed the course of action in evolution, directly implying He should simply have created us without all the beginning organisms.

DAVID: You are correct. I have no idea why He uses that method.

dhw: Thank you. That is the acknowledgement I asked for. I suggest we leave it at that.

Fine