Evolution: Haeckels fake news (Evolution)
DAVID: I am so old, I was taught in school that “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”. Is it possible it is taught today?
dhw: I am almost as old as you, and have certainly grown up and old with the impression that this was true. Some websites say it is true of the very early stages of the embryo, and if it is, that’s good enough for me. It has to diverge sooner rather than later, since there are such vast differences between, say, elephants, cats and humans.
DAVID: Since all embryos start as spheres of cells before differentiation they will be similar. Once differentiation has progressed, they all differ. What current websites still support this out dated idea?
dhw: Of course things differ once differentiation progresses! Here are some websites for you:
How Embryonic Homologies Support Evolution
https://www.learnreligions.com/how-embryonic-homologies-support-evolution-249886
How does embryology provide evidence for evolution - Answers
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_does_embryology_provide_evidence_for_evolution
8 Scientific Discoveries That Prove Evolution is Real
https://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
DAVID: Thank you. Ah yes, homologies fit evolution, but Haeckels drawings are not correct.
That does not invalidate his theory, and “not correct” is very different from “fake”. But I don’t know enough about the case to settle on the correct vocabulary!
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- Evolution: microbiome of coral -
David Turell,
2018-11-24, 19:20
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
dhw,
2018-10-26, 11:31
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
David Turell,
2018-10-25, 18:46
- Evolution: ribosomes flexible, ancient - David Turell, 2018-11-17, 19:10
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
dhw,
2018-10-25, 11:21
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
David Turell,
2018-10-24, 18:40
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
dhw,
2018-10-24, 11:23
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
David Turell,
2018-10-23, 15:14
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
dhw,
2018-10-23, 12:44
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
David Turell,
2018-10-18, 00:51
- Evolution: very early whale with useful legs -
David Turell,
2019-04-04, 22:34
- Evolution: very early whale with useful legs -
dhw,
2019-04-05, 09:52
- Evolution: very early whale with useful legs -
David Turell,
2019-04-05, 15:06
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-27, 00:27
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-27, 18:40
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-27, 22:50
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-28, 10:58
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-28, 18:30
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-29, 08:43
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-29, 19:43
- Evolution: whale echolocation ability - David Turell, 2019-11-01, 21:19
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-29, 19:43
- Evolution: blue whale adaptive cardiac changes - David Turell, 2019-11-26, 01:52
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-29, 08:43
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-28, 18:30
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-28, 10:58
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-27, 22:50
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
dhw,
2019-09-27, 18:40
- Evolution: whale adaptive losses and changes -
David Turell,
2019-09-27, 00:27
- Evolution: very early whale with useful legs -
David Turell,
2019-04-05, 15:06
- Evolution: very early whale with useful legs -
dhw,
2019-04-05, 09:52
- Evolution: new transitional whale -
David Turell,
2019-12-12, 15:13
- Evolution: food supply limits whale size -
David Turell,
2019-12-12, 20:08
- Evolution: possible role of stem cells (promised find) - David Turell, 2019-12-12, 20:40
- Evolution: food supply limits whale size -
dhw,
2019-12-13, 12:43
- Evolution: food supply limits whale size -
David Turell,
2019-12-13, 13:52
- Evolution: genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2020-08-19, 22:54
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-11, 15:58
- Evolution:strange DNA shapes increase mutation rate - David Turell, 2021-02-11, 19:23
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-12, 10:56
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-12, 15:38
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-13, 12:03
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-13, 18:04
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-14, 15:41
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-14, 17:47
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-15, 12:12
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-15, 12:16
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-15, 22:33
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-16, 12:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-16, 17:44
- Evolution: always advancing or not? -
David Turell,
2021-02-16, 18:20
- Evolution: physical change in speciation, brain control - David Turell, 2021-02-16, 19:20
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-17, 13:24
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-17, 18:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-18, 11:08
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-18, 17:55
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-19, 10:55
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-19, 19:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-20, 10:46
- Evolution: genomic evidence of parasitic help -
David Turell,
2021-02-20, 15:36
- Evolution: genomic evidence of parasitic help - David Turell, 2021-02-23, 20:37
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-20, 21:31
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-21, 11:02
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-21, 21:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-22, 13:14
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-22, 18:29
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-23, 12:14
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-23, 16:12
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-24, 12:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-24, 15:15
- Evolution: cetaceans get much less cancer - David Turell, 2021-02-24, 22:34
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-25, 12:39
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-25, 23:40
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-26, 14:08
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-26, 15:37
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-27, 09:04
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-27, 14:39
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-28, 09:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 15:27
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-01, 13:19
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-01, 15:59
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-02, 13:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-02, 15:34
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-03, 11:22
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-03, 16:15
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-04, 11:34
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-04, 15:31
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-05, 11:56
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-05, 15:25
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-05, 15:25
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-05, 11:56
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-04, 15:31
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-04, 11:34
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-03, 16:15
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-03, 11:22
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-02, 15:34
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-02, 13:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-03-01, 15:59
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-03-01, 13:19
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 15:27
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-28, 09:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-27, 14:39
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-27, 09:04
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-26, 15:37
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-26, 14:08
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-25, 23:40
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-24, 15:15
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-24, 12:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-23, 16:12
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-23, 12:14
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-22, 18:29
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-22, 13:14
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-21, 21:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-21, 11:02
- Evolution: genomic evidence of parasitic help -
David Turell,
2021-02-20, 15:36
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-20, 10:46
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-19, 19:00
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-19, 10:55
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-18, 17:55
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-18, 11:08
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-17, 18:07
- Evolution: always advancing or not? -
David Turell,
2021-02-16, 18:20
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-16, 17:44
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-16, 12:07
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-15, 22:33
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-15, 12:16
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-15, 12:12
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-14, 17:47
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-14, 15:41
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-13, 18:04
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
dhw,
2021-02-13, 12:03
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-12, 15:38
- Evolution: more genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2021-02-11, 15:58
- Evolution: genomic evidence of pre-planning -
David Turell,
2020-08-19, 22:54
- Evolution: food supply limits whale size -
David Turell,
2019-12-13, 13:52
- Evolution: food supply limits whale size -
David Turell,
2019-12-12, 20:08
- Evolution: more gaps in foraminifera -
David Turell,
2018-10-17, 22:10
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
dhw,
2018-08-19, 10:39
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
David Turell,
2018-08-18, 15:25
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
dhw,
2018-08-18, 07:27
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
David Turell,
2018-08-17, 15:26
- Evolution: corn plant pest adaptation -
David Turell,
2018-08-16, 19:46
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
Balance_Maintained,
2018-08-16, 12:41
- Evolution: whales defy explanation -
dhw,
2018-08-16, 11:48
- Evolution: insect explosion much like the Cambrian -
David Turell,
2018-05-14, 21:00
- Evolution: baleen whales once had teeth -
David Turell,
2018-05-10, 20:24
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
David Turell,
2018-03-30, 14:47
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
dhw,
2018-03-30, 12:45
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
David Turell,
2018-03-29, 15:18
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
dhw,
2018-03-29, 09:25
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
David Turell,
2018-03-28, 15:09
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
dhw,
2018-03-28, 12:22
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
David Turell,
2018-03-27, 14:40
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
dhw,
2018-03-27, 13:00
- Evolution: whales and hippos related? More relationships -
David Turell,
2018-03-26, 23:14
- Evolution: trying to mutate a protein -
David Turell,
2017-11-10, 05:36
- Evolution: chance, contingent or convergent -
David Turell,
2017-10-27, 01:28
- Evolution: networks of coevolution -
David Turell,
2017-10-18, 20:00
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-28, 14:34
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-28, 13:02
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-27, 17:25
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-27, 10:56
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-26, 17:19
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-26, 12:14
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-25, 16:13
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-25, 13:24
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-24, 14:50
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-24, 13:26
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-23, 14:45
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-23, 12:54
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-22, 15:11
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-22, 13:15
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-21, 15:12
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-21, 12:58
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-20, 14:59
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-20, 13:31
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-19, 14:54
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-19, 11:47
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-18, 15:34
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-18, 10:04
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-17, 15:19
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-17, 10:34
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-16, 14:59
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-16, 12:58
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-15, 15:07
- Evolution: frog adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-15, 13:37
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-14, 16:08
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-14, 13:19
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-14, 01:34
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-13, 13:30
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-12, 15:32
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-12, 12:07
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-11, 17:59
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-10, 15:30
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-10, 13:55
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 14:45
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-09, 10:42
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-08, 21:00
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-08, 14:21
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-07, 14:36
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-07, 10:52
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-06, 15:11
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-06, 13:38
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-05, 17:51
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-05, 13:32
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-04, 17:18
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-04, 15:02
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:56
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
dhw,
2017-09-03, 14:12
- Evolution, survival and adaptation -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 15:20