Evolution: fish to land animals transition (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, December 06, 2020, 15:31 (1446 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: How could ALL the ecosystems, 99% of which had no connection with us, have been necessary for us? Why do you keep ignoring your own statements: “The current huge bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms.” “Extinct life has no role in current time.”

DAVID: You interpret in a distorted way as you read my words: the key to the interpretation is this from your bold of my words “Extinct life has no role in current time.” Is that true or not? I say not…

dhw: This and the other quotes were clear statements – not stated as subjects for discussion. And the block capitals (NOW and PAST) were yours, not mine. There is no distortion, and your statements make perfect sense, since you cannot find any direct connection between 99% of evolution’s branches (life forms plus food supplies) and the branch that produced H. sapiens plus food supply.

DAVID: …but the true issue is the connection in common descent!!! Which obviously is an indirect role, but a real role, and a relationship. You cannot get from bacteria to humans without steady modification. But then again you refuses to accept the idea God chose to evolve us.

dhw: With my theist hat on, I have no problem with the theory that your God chose to evolve us. But “evolve” according to you means he directly designed every organism, and every hominin and homo that preceded us. You cannot get from bacteria to the brontosaurus without vast numbers of modifications. You have agreed that the brontosaurus has no direct connection to us. Multiply that by millions of organisms, econiches, strategies and natural wonders which you claim your God directly designed, add on the fact that 99% of them had no connection with humans, and you are left with the problem you continually ignore: why would your God directly design millions of life forms and food supplies that had no connection with humans if the only branch of life’s bush that he WANTED to design was the one leading from bacteria to humans and their food supply? Your bolded comments above hammer the point home, and the rest of your post continues to dodge the issue.

You have no coherent development of your acceptance that God chose to evolve us. I think He designed all stages with mountains of evidence that design is required. You seem to deny design, so how did He directly do it? As for desiring humans Adler offers very strong philosophic evidence. For the necessary food supply, you agree it is required. Early in evolution small bush, small food supply. Now huge bush huge human population, all logical. I don't ignore the bold. It is your strawman. The definition of evolution is development from the simple to the complex in stages! You have agreed above God chose to evolve us. Our only difference I know of is I think He directly designed everything and you drag in cell intelligence provided by God. That is still an acceptance of God in charge, just a step removed from control. Why you need that I have no idea, but it diminishes God's direct control, and perhaps it is your agnostic way of diminishing God's personality and control of purpose.