Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, September 13, 2021, 12:23 (954 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] you wrote: “there is no before before the BB. Time didn’t exist. This was proven by Guth, Borde and Valenkin by mathematics years ago, presented by my books and here.[/i]”

dhw: According to you, your God existed before and even created our BB. And according to you, he could have created earlier BBs, which means he could have created sequences of before-during-after, which you agree is a valid definition of time. Apparently, you don’t understand the first bolded quote. It says explicitly that there was NO before and time did not exist. You say there WAS a before, and time might have existed. I simply cannot understand why you continue to agree with Guth’s statement, although you demonstrate over and over again that you don’t agree with it.

DAVID: The fact that we can theorize about God before our BB and hypothesize previous BB's does not create time.

Of course a theory doesn’t create anything! The fact that we can theorize about God’s existence does not create God!

DAVID: Time exits only within BB's. The bold is a direct misstatement of my view as I continue to point out I accept Guth's findings that time started with our BB expressed by saying there is no 'Before' before our BB.

You wrote: “I accept the definition of time as a sequence of events only when they exist in a BB that contains time, which by definition ours does and therefore possible/imaginary prior BB’s did.bbb” Do you or do you not believe that it is POSSIBLE that your God may have created BBs before ours[/b]? If you think it is possible, then you do not believe that Guth & Co have proven that there was no ‘Before’ before our BB, and that time started with our BB.