Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 04, 2021, 00:25 (959 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: In our BB time is seen as sequential events. Fine, we agree. Most cosmologists will tell you that time exists in our BB but not before. The sequence of imagined BB's does not create time before our BB except now in your imagination. The bold above fits.

dhw: How do most cosmologists know that there was no “before” our BB? Once again: you disagree with them, because you believe your God existed before, and indeed created the BB.

The presence of God before He made our BB does not create time before our BB.

dhw: And you believe it is possible that during his eternal existence he may have created other BBs. You cannot prove this, any more than Guth and Co can prove that there was nothing before our BB. Their “imagining” that there was nothing is no less imagination than your imagining God and earlier BBs. And if there is a God and there were earlier BBs, there will have been a sequence of before, during and after those BBs – and that sequence of before, during and after is what you and I agree is our definition of time.

I accept the definition of time as a sequence of events only when they exist in a BB that contains time, which by definition ours does and therefore possible/imaginary prior BB's did.

dhw: Please stop pretending that you agree with Guth and Co, when your belief in God’s existence – not to mention your acceptance of the possibility of earlier BBs – is the exact opposite of their "proven" belief that there was no “before” the BB.

Their 'before' means time before our BB. It didn't exist and I agreed with them. Stop inventing my 'pretend'.

Time only exists in BB's. Imaginary sequences don't create time.