Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 15:05 (975 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You are applying a human concept of time in our spacetime to our imagined previous possible 'before' our BB. It may well have been the only BB ever.

dhw: You are applying the same concept. No one can possibly prove that there were no BBs before ours, and in your case, since you believe in a God who existed before our BB and created it, you have been arguing all this time that it’s perfectly possible he created a sequence of BBs before ours. But strangely, you cannot grasp the fact that if he did, the periods in between BBs would also have been part of the sequence of before and after.

DAVID: A sequence of BB's does not create time between them!!!

dhw: We’re not talking of “creating” time – we are defining it. How can you possibly argue that if there are two events, what exists between them is not a before (the second) and after (the first)?

Yes, but only in our spacetime

DAVID: God does not exist in time. When He creates a BB time appears within it. The sequence from God to BB is a timeless sequence. Easy to understand.

dhw: If God creates a sequence of BBs, there is a before and after each one. How can you possibly have a timeless sequence, when the word itself means one thing after another? You accepted Guth and Co’s authority (bolded above), but you have now rejected it. Thank you for agreeing with me. You accepted the definition of time as a sequence of before-present-after, and now you are trying to reject that too. Why?

I accept the/your definition within our spacetime. No time exists between our imagined series of BB's. God is timeless and only He exists between His produced BB's.