Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 04, 2021, 18:26 (1176 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The presence of God before He made our BB does not create time before our BB.

dhw: The presence of God is already a “before”, and you agreed that he might well have created other BBs

That creates a theoretical sequence but that sequence in not in physical time

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DAVID: I accept the definition of time as a sequence of events only when they exist in a BB that contains time, which by definition ours does and therefore possible/imaginary prior BB's did.

dhw: Thank you. Possible BBs are enough to show that you do NOT accept that Guth & Co have “proven” that there was no before and that time did not exist before our BB. They have no more evidence for their imaginings than you have for yours.

They are writing about physical time within our BB, nothing more.

dhw: Please stop pretending that you agree with Guth and Co, when your belief in God’s existence – not to mention your acceptance of the possibility of earlier BBs – is the exact opposite of their "proven" belief that there was no “before” the BB.

DAVID: Their 'before' means time before our BB. It didn't exist and I agreed with them. Stop inventing my 'pretend'. Time only exists in BB's. Imaginary sequences don't create time.

dhw: Once more: Neither they nor you know that there were no BBs before ours. You have rejected Guth and Co’s imaginary “nothing” before our BB, and this rejection paves the way for the POSSIBILITY of time existing before our BB. They have not “proven” that time did not exist before our BB, so why do you continue to argue against yourself?

I agree with Guth et al physical time started with our BB.

Use your imaginary time all you wish, but it is imaginary.