Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, September 07, 2021, 11:22 (1173 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] you wrote: “there is no before before the BB. Time didn’t exist. This was proven by Guth, Borde and Valenkin by mathematics years ago, presented by my books and here.”

DAVID: The presence of God before He made our BB does not create time before our BB.

dhw: The presence of God is already a “before”, and you agreed that he might well have created other BBs.[…]

DAVID: I accept the definition of time as a sequence of events only when they exist in a BB that contains time, which by definition ours does and therefore possible/imaginary prior BB's did.[/b]

dhw: You have accepted my definition of time, and you agree that there could have been BBs before ours! Therefore you believe it is possible that time existed before our BB. So please stop disagreeing with yourself.

DAVID: Don't you read what I write? I agree to the definition of time as a sequence of events, BUT only if that sequence occurs within the spacetime of an exiting BB universe.

Don’t you read what you write? If possible/imaginary prior BBs “contained” time, then you reject your own statement that Guth & Co have proven that time did not exist before our BB.

DAVID: Where did you get the idea I reject Guth. You do. My unchanging position repeated: "I agree to the definition of time as a sequence of events, BUT only if that sequence occurs within the spacetime of an exiting BB universe."

You agree that the sequence could have occurred before our BB, if the God you believe in created BBs before our own. Therefore you believe it is possible that time existed before our BB, which is the direct opposite of your claim that Guth & Co have “proven” there was no “before” our BB and therefore time did not exist before our BB. Please stop saying you agree with Guth & Co when every line you write shows that you agree with me and not with them.