Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, September 04, 2021, 09:26 (959 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] you wrote: “there is no before before the BB. Time didn’t exist. This was proven by Guth, Borde and Valenkin by mathematics years ago, presented by my books and here.”

DAVID: In our BB time is seen as sequential events. Fine, we agree. Most cosmologists will tell you that time exists in our BB but not before. The sequence of imagined BB's does not create time before our BB except now in your imagination. The bold above fits.

dhw: How do most cosmologists know that there was no “before” our BB? Once again: you disagree with them, because you believe your God existed before, and indeed created the BB.

DAVID: The presence of God before He made our BB does not create time before our BB.

The presence of God is already a “before”, and you agreed that he might well have created other BBs
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DAVID: I accept the definition of time as a sequence of events only when they exist in a BB that contains time, which by definition ours does and therefore possible/imaginary prior BB's did.

Thank you. Possible BBs are enough to show that you do NOT accept that Guth & Co have “proven” that there was no before and that time did not exist before our BB. They have no more evidence for their imaginings than you have for yours.

dhw: Please stop pretending that you agree with Guth and Co, when your belief in God’s existence – not to mention your acceptance of the possibility of earlier BBs – is the exact opposite of their "proven" belief that there was no “before” the BB.

DAVID: Their 'before' means time before our BB. It didn't exist and I agreed with them. Stop inventing my 'pretend'. Time only exists in BB's. Imaginary sequences don't create time.

Once more: Neither they nor you know that there were no BBs before ours. You have rejected Guth and Co’s imaginary “nothing” before our BB, and this rejection paves the way for the POSSIBILITY of time existing before our BB. They have not “proven” that time did not exist before our BB, so why do you continue to argue against yourself?