Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, August 16, 2021, 18:37 (1195 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You are applying a human concept of time in our spacetime to our imagined previous possible 'before' our BB. It may well have been the only BB ever.

dhw: You are applying the same concept. No one can possibly prove that there were no BBs before ours, and in your case, since you believe in a God who existed before our BB and created it, you have been arguing all this time that it’s perfectly possible he created a sequence of BBs before ours. But strangely, you cannot grasp the fact that if he did, the periods in between BBs would also have been part of the sequence of before and after.

A sequence of BB's does not create time between them!!!

dhw: [..] my point is that precisely because nobody knows, it is totally absurd to claim as you did that “there is no before before the BB. Time didn't exist. This was proven by Guth, Borde, and Valenkin by mathematics years ago, presented by my books and here."
How can you prove something that nobody can possibly know?

DAVID: Ask G, B, & V. Their paper was accepted by all cosmologists at the party. And the religious world's publications went wild: if the BB appeared from nothing then God had to have done it.

dhw: I am not discussing this with them. I am asking why you accepted their statement when it clearly goes against everything you believe in! Why didn’t you simply agree with me in the first place? You have said over and over again that the BB could not have appeared from nothing, because your God is not nothing. And your agreement that he could have created countless BBs for all we know, makes it doubly absurd for you to agree with them that there was no before and time didn’t exist.

God does not exist in time. When He creates a BB time appears within it. The sequence from God to BB is a timeless sequence. Easy to understand.