Cosmologic philosophy: Egnor on Big Bang, etc. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, September 12, 2021, 15:47 (957 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: […] you wrote: “there is no before before the BB. Time didn’t exist. This was proven by Guth, Borde and Valenkin by mathematics years ago, presented by my books and here.”

DAVID: You didn't read Guth's paper or its interpretations by many scholars. His point is time started with our BB with no comment as to what caused our BB.

dhw: I have only read the bolded statement at the head of this post, in which you state that Guth and Co proved that there was nothing before the BB and so time did not exist before our BB. If you misquoted Guth, then so be it. I am discussing this with you and not with Guth, and you state categorically that there was a before, and that you think it possible that there were BBs before ours. Therefore you do not believe that Guth & Co have proven that there was no before our BB and no time before our BB.

DAVID: Apparently you don't understand the bolded quote. bb"There is no before before the BB. Time didn't exist."bbb Where did your bolded impression come from? From my belief God exists is what I remember. God is timeless.

dhw: Timeless means eternal. According to you, your God existed before and even created our BB. And according to you, he could have created earlier BBs, which means he could have created sequences of before-during-after, which you agree is a valid definition of time. Apparently, you don’t understand the first bolded quote. It says explicitly that there was NO before and time did not exist. You say there WAS a before, and time might have existed. I simply cannot understand why you continue to agree with Guth’s statement, although you demonstrate over and over again that you don’t agree with it.

The fact that we can theorize about God before our BB and hypothesize previous BB's does not create time. Time exits only within BB's. The bold is a direct misstatement of my view as I continue to point out I accept Guth's findings that time started with our BB expressed by saying there is no 'Before' before our BB.