Unanswered questions (General)

by David Turell , Sunday, September 01, 2019, 16:07 (1698 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I do not know or pretend to understand God's logic. God does what God does. I understand the evidence of history to know him through His works. Again you want the God described in Genesis. He does not exist. Theological thinking is much more mature than that. (dhw’s bold)

dhw: Firstly, how do you know he does not exist, but secondly I do not want anything except to know why a God who has a single purpose (to design H. sapiens), and according to you directly designs every single innovation, lifestyle and natural wonder in the history of life, decides to put off fulfilling his single purpose for 3.X billion years, therefore has to specially design all the other life forms etc., and then starts specially designing bits and pieces of H. sapiens to be passed on by various hominins and homos until he specially designs the special features that make H. sapiens different from all the rest! You even admit that you do not understand his logic!

No one can know His logic. And my response to your view is in the other thread: "Goals and purposes are the same but the way you approach the argument is to strongly imply that my God was dominated by his desire for humans and foolishly took too much time to reach the evolution of humans. A complete distortion of my view of God, but a neat debating trick on your part."

DAVID: No, I have said any statement concerning God's logic must be guesswork as He has never directly told us how or Why he thinks what He thinks or does what He does, so al we can do is study his works: all of reality.

dhw: Why “no”? You keep stating that God’s logic is different from ours and you don’t understand it. That is a statement concerning God’s logic and is supposed to justify your fixed belief or faith in your guess that he lacks human attributes and works in ways that defy human logic. And so you think your guess entitles you dismiss any other guess.

You can guess all you want. The result is the same. It is a guess.

dhw: Evolution according to you is the history of your God’s special design of all life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders for the sole purpose of producing H. sapiens. I quote you: “Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time?” Exactly the same as today’s “I do not pretend to…understand God’s logic.”

DAVID: What God does is never illogical, but His choice, for which we never can know His reasoning. I find your reasoning in this area totally illogical, as you try to invent a humanized God.

dhw: Never illogical by whose standards, if you keep telling us that his logic is different from ours and you yourself do not understand it? You keep trying to invent a choice which you agree is illogical by human standards, and your only justification for rejecting other interpretations of his choice is that they are logical but you know your God doesn’t think logically by human standards. How about the possibility that he does, and your interpretation of his choice is wrong?

His choice is not wrong! As the creator of all that is, He chose to evolve humans. and I have not agreed His thoughts are "illogical by human standards". All I have ever said is I don't know why He made the choice to evolve humans, but I have noted He uses evolution at all times with the universe, the Earth and with life, as evidence He prefers to evolve His creations.