Unanswered questions (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, June 05, 2019, 18:57 (1787 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You simply refuse to see that if God controlled evolution from the start of life until He reached the evolution of humans, He designed everything that came first. That is my belief.

dhw: I know your belief. And you simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that you yourself “have no idea” why he chose to design millions of non-human life forms, econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders when according to you the only thing he wanted to (and did) specially design was H. sapiens! The implication of this illogical combination of beliefs is that at least one of them is wrong.

I don't know why God chose to evolve bacteria to eventually produce humans. But that means He had to do exactly what you are objecting to. Nothing illogical, except to you.

DAVID (under “salmon exercise”): A reminder. Enzymes are giant complex molecules which facilitate speed in protein reactions. How did chance evolution find this specific molecule? Since salmon have such a complex migratory reproduction system, this system and enzyme must have been designed.

dhw: So do please explain why your God specially designed the salmon’s migratory reproduction system when according to you all he really wanted to design was the brain of H. sapiens.

He evolved everything. see above.

dhw: No, I don’t know what you mean. The fact that humans are the latest product of evolution does not mean that your God’s sole purpose in specially designing every single life form that ever existed was to pass the time until he specially designed the only thing he wanted to design.

Why can't you accept the idea that God chose to evolve everything on the way to producing us?

DAVID: Our specialness gives us the answer, and He started with single-celled forms to get there.

dhw: Our specialness does not explain all the other special, non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders that started out from single cells.

DAVID: Our specialness is way more special than all the other different forms. That is Adler's point.

dhw: I’m concerned with your beliefs, not Adler’s. Now you seem to be saying God specially designed us to be extra special, and so he specially designed all the less special special things for the sole purpose of specially designing us! It’s still illogical.

Only to you.

DAVID: Same narrow view: I believe God had to do what He did if He chose to evolve us from the first cells. I'm simply looking at the known history of evolution. I simply accept God's choice of method of creation. I don't need to know 'why' He made that choice.

dhw: It is not God’s choice that I am querying, but your interpretation of his choice. For those who believe in God and evolution, history shows that his choice of method (evolution) produced a vast bush of life forms, the latest of which is H. sapiens. It does not show that he chose to specially design the vast bush for the sole purpose of specially designing H. sapiens!

Again my point is our specialness and Adler's explanation. You quote Shapiro to support your views. I use my experts.