Unanswered questions (General)

by David Turell , Saturday, June 08, 2019, 15:24 (1782 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We continue to debate the same point. What is illogical about believing God managed evolution and designed all the steps? The book 'Nature's IQ' says exactly that and gave us weaverbirds to discuss.

dhw: Nothing illogical at all. But yet again you focus on ONE of your hypotheses and ignore the other. What is illogical is that you have him specially designing every life form, lifestyle and natural wonder extant and extinct, although according to you the only thing he wants to specially design and eventually does specially design is H. sapiens. Once more: it is the COMBINATION of your hypotheses that is illogical.

If God was in change of evolution, which is my belief, the history of evolution describes exactly what He did. He chose to evolve humans, and not perform direct creation of humans, which is what your criticism implies! It is illogical only to you.

dhw: Since you have no idea why he chose to specially design us by specially designing all the other special-but-less-special-than-us life forms, I don’t know how you can tell us you find it logical.

DAVID: It is logical to assume God chose to evolve us from bacteria.

dhw: For anyone who believes in God and in evolution, it is logical to assume that he chose to evolve ALL forms of life from bacteria. It is not logical to assume that he chose to specially design every single form of life for the sole purpose of getting them to eat or not eat one another until he specially designed the only thing he wanted to design: us.

DAVID: That is my belief.

dhw: The fact that it is your belief does not make it logical.

But I believe my belief is arrived at logically. I have fully accepted God is in charge and chose to evolve humans.

dhw: Does Adler really support your view that your God specially designed every special life form, and that he did so in order to make them eat or not one another until he specially designed us?

DAVID: Adler is not discussing why God chose to evolve us, except to point out our specialness. He never delve into God's methods, only his obvious purpose.

dhw: I am not querying our specialness, but clearly that is the only “view” of yours which Adler supports.

DAVID: Our specialness is something you reduce in your arguments.

dhw: I agree with you and Adler that we are extraordinarily and uniquely and astonishingly and especially special. Adler does not support your belief that your God specially designed every other special organism, and did so in order that they would all eat or not eat one another until he specially designed the only thing he wanted to specially design: the extraordinarily special us. Do you in fact know of anyone who supports this belief?

Not in those exact words, but all the ID folks believe God designed the evolution of humans, and most religious believers would agree, although some still believe in direct creation.