Unanswered questions (General)

by dhw, Friday, August 09, 2019, 12:33 (1931 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: ...if he [God] exists, the history tells us that he created a huge and ever changing bush of life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders extant and extinct. What makes no sense is the claim that all of them were specially designed, and yet his only purpose was to specially design H. sapiens.

DAVID: Makes perfect sense to me because I assume He designed all of it. His end purpose was humans.

That is the combination that does NOT make sense. Yet again: why specially design the whale’s flipper and the weaverbird’s nest, times a few billion other examples, if his end purpose was humans? The answer is: you have no idea.

DAVID: Again distorting 'my no idea' which always means I don't know why He chose evolution as His method.

dhw: As his method for what? […] Please stop trying to hide your theory behind the word “evolution”!

DAVID: I'm not hiding behind 'evolution'. God chose to evolve the universe, the Earth, and all of life!

If God exists, then of course he did precisely that. But yet again ad nauseam: for you evolution means your God specially designed every life form, and the purpose of his designing every non-human life form was to design one life form – H. sapiens. THAT is the illogical combination that you try to gloss over by focusing solely on our shared belief that the universe, the Earth and life evolved.

Dhw: You have said that humans were his main or prime or primary purpose for creating life. What were his secondary purposes for creating life?

DAVID: I'm not sure there were any. I'm still with Adler.

So why do you keep talking of goals, primary/prime/main purpose if you can’t even name secondary purposes? You are stuck with the incongruity of a single purpose (H. sapiens) achieved by an always-in-control God whose method of achieving his single purpose is to avoid achieving his purpose by designing the huge bush of non-human life forms. Your explanation:

David: […] you accept above that He created the bush, which led to humans. I view teh bush as a requirement for food supply.

And so in order to achieve his sole purpose of specially designing H. sapiens, he specially designs millions and millions of non-human life forms (plus lifestyles and natural wonders) so that they can eat or be eaten by one another until he specially designs the only thing he wants to design. You have “no idea” why he chose this totally illogical method of achieving his purpose, and you accept the logic of my alternative explanations but reject them because they do not fit in with your dehumanized preconceptions about God’s nature. Perhaps we should leave it at that.