Unanswered questions (General)

by David Turell , Monday, July 08, 2019, 15:22 (1963 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: But the history of evolution tells us exactly what you object to. If God ran evolution as designer, of course He designed everything. What you won't accept is his role as designer.

dhw: You keep glossing over the details of your hypothesis. If, for argument’s sake, we accept the existence of God, history does NOT tell us that he specially designed every single individual life form, lifestyle, econiche and natural wonder – and that is what you mean by he “ran evolution”.

Once again you gloss over my starting assumption that God chose to create through the process of evolution of all life to reach the goal of humans. Of course this is not history, but under my assumption, history shows what He did.

dhw: And history does not tell us that he designed every single one of these so that organisms could eat or not eat one another until he specially designed the only thing he wanted to design, which was H. sapiens. That is what makes no sense, as you have acknowledged when telling us that you have no idea why he chose this method of fulfilling his one and only purpose. If God exists, of course he is the designer, and I have offered you several explanations which logically fit his role as designer to the history of evolution.

Once again you ignore an d distort my starting assumption.Your explanations are always from a humanized God.

Dhw: Now please tell us why your God specially designed beavers (not to mention whale flippers and weaverbirds’ nests) when all he actually wanted to do was specially design humans.

DAVID: As always the need for ecosystems to provide eaten energy so evolution could cover 3.8 billion years of time.

dhw: So God’s purpose in designing all these systems was for evolution to take 3.8 billion years (plus presumably the future). Or do you mean he said to himself: “I wanner specially design H. sapiens, and although I’m in full control, I have to take 3.5+ billion years to do it, so I gotta design something else in the meantime”?

DAVID: You simply won 't accept my concept that God chose the process of evolution to create humans and the history of evolution shows how He designed it. Your false thinking is based on your overwhelming tendency to humanize His thoughts.

dhw: He chose the process of evolution to create ALL forms of life. Your illogical thinking is based on your overwhelming desire to twist the history of life to fit in with your personal reading of God’s purpose (H. sapiens) and method (he “had to” design millions of non-human life forms etc. in order to do it). You have acknowledged that we have no way of knowing what, if any, human attributes your God may have, so it is clearly absurd to dismiss the possibility that he and we may have attributes in common, and you have acknowledged that all my hypotheses are logical, so they can hardly be called “false thinking”.

Of course we may some personality attributes in common with God. But we can only guess at what might be correct. Your hypotheses are following human logic. We cannot know if they are God's, is always my point.