Different in degree or kind: Egnor's take (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 04, 2016, 16:54 (2761 days ago) @ dhw

dhw:The analogous evolution of fish fins to legs, which you continue to ignore, suggests that major changes CAN take place in response to need, or do you think your God gave fish readymade legs before they ventured onto dry land? Sorry to keep repeating this question, but I am anxious to get an answer.-You had answer several days agoAVID: Look at this article on walking fish. Large skeletal changes. Again a gap.-http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/14/262464764/first-land-walking-fish-loo...-The gap is on both sides of the transitional fish.-> 
> dhw: On a theistic level, if your God gave organisms the power to alter their own structure, why do you assume he limited it to minor alterations? What evidence do you have for your own hypothesis of divine programming and/or dabbling? How did he do it? There is no answer, just your desire that your God should control every innovation and every natural wonder in the history of evolution.-God just DOES IT, is my answer. by pre-planning or dabbling. I can't know which from the evidence we have.
>> DAVID: Please re-read this contorted paragraph. That is my argument.
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> Where is the contortion? I have supported saltation against Darwin's gradualism throughout our discussions. It is you who try to make out that cellular intelligence could only work through itty bitty gradualism.-You are assuming that unproven cellular intelligence can do all the complex planning for the complicated gap jumps. All we know is epigenetic minor adaptations, never species change. I know it is your theory, but it doesn't recognize the degree of mental planning involved to make the jumps.-> DAVID: Our consciousness appeared as the brain grew larger frontal lobes and received it.
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> dhw: If - in accordance with your belief in dualism - our brain received it, which came first, our consciousness or the brain?-Remember I believe in species consciousness (Sheldrake) and universal consciousness with the brain as a receiver. Consciousness first. God