Different in degree or kind (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, November 07, 2013, 02:31 (4035 days ago) @ dhw

dhw:If order simply exists in the form of your God, how do you know that order does not exist in the form of a universe without a God? -You are proposing an orderly form of quantum particles all arranged by an orderly set of natural laws, that just happened to arrange themselves into a universe by chance?-> dhw;What we see is a non-stop sequence of comings and goings,-No we don't. We see a Big Bang creating a very orderly universe which has the characteristics of allowing life that results in sentient humans who now are gaining a partial understanding how it all works. All by chance comings and goings. Read Nagel and see how unhappy he is and how he fights to retain his atheism which is now going down the drain as we discover more. Advancing science will destroy atheism.-> dhw: so maybe that is the natural orderly/disorderly course taken by energy and matter, and has been so for ever and ever. You may cry: How do you explain life and consciousness? To which, alas, I must reply as Dawkins does: "How do you explain God?" That does not make either of you right or wrong. It merely makes a mockery of the claim that one hypothesis is more "reasonable" than the other.-My last comment brings a very strong odor of teleology. And you remain stochastically inclined. Dawkins off hand remark is the usual example of his shallow thinking. I'd rather try to explain why there is anything.