Different in degree or kind: EVOLUTION (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, January 11, 2015, 00:23 (3605 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: You accept design and a drive to complexity. And if I remember correctly, you want 'intelligent cells' to come up with plans and you can't give a source or the information needed:
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> dhw: Nobody can give a source, but it might be your God. He might have created an intelligent mechanism with all the information necessary for evolution.-We are again back at the key point, information. Life runs on information, without question. It is my point that DNA cannot have invented the information by itself. Information which plans and runs the complexity of the universe and live must come from intellect, or blossoms by chance. For the source I say God. Do you have an alternative?-> DAVID: QUOTE: "These ideas suggest that evolvability and openness to innovation are features not just of life but of information itself. That is a view long championed by Schuster's sometime collaborator, Nobel laureate chemist Manfred Eigen, who insists that Darwinian evolution is not merely the organizing principle of biology but a “law of physics,” an inevitable result of how information is organized in complex systems. And if that's right, it would seem that the appearance of life was not a fantastic fluke but almost a mathematical inevitability." (From my recent post today re' Wagner's book) 
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> dhw: I'm surprised you feel able to accept the argument that life was almost a mathematical inevitability resulting from a Darwinian evolutionary law of physics. No source or organizer here. Or does Wagner go on to say God did it?-No Wagner doesn't say God did it. And you are inferring more from the paragraph than I do. The point I accept is that Life was inevitable because the information required was supplied. Once the concept is accepted that information is required for life to exist then it follows that I can live with the way the paragraph is stated. What I look for is the fact that a non-theist admits the requirement for initial information.