Evolution took a long time (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, March 01, 2017, 18:30 (2824 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Maybe he gave organisms the means to go their own way, and maybe humans were the result of a dabble or the result of the evolving intelligence that your God had set in motion. Maybe. Even to you that makes sense in the light of evolutionary history, but still you insist that your non-sensical hypothesis must be true because that is what you believe.

DAVID: All you have described above is chance when you leave God's dabbles behind. Recognize that fluffiness in thought.

dhw: Intelligent exploitation of the environment is not chance, and if the intelligence was designed by God for that very purpose, again there is no chance. The “fluff” comes when you dither over the degree to which your God does or does not control the environment.

I have to 'dither'. I have few firm beliefs . You know what I am firm about.

DAVID: Of course I know: I'm looking at your proposal as a two-step process: an autonomous change by organisms and a corrective dabble follow up as necessary, which does make it semiautonomous.

dhw:A correction is only necessary if something goes wrong. So are you now suggesting that the carnivorous plants, the frogs, the monarch butterfly, the cuttlefish, the parasitic wasps all autonomously worked out their own means of survival but got it wrong and then God stepped in to correct them? If that is not what you mean, please tell us what you think these organisms came up with autonomously.

I didn't say that at all. I can't comment on each tiny step in evolution as you wish. All I can give you is God guided evolution. We do not know how much organisms can change other than the minor alterations we see in epigenetics.