Evolution took a long time (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, January 09, 2017, 15:06 (2875 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Monday, January 09, 2017, 15:11

DAVID: Because one of the molecules is DNA and we don't know but a tiny portion of its attributes. The instructions are there.

dhw: The undiscovered, 3.8-billion-year-old instructions for every solution to every problem throughout the history of bacterial life past, present and future are stored in a molecule we don’t know much about, but we do know enough about all the molecules to say that the intelligent behaviour of bacteria can’t be caused by intelligence. The wonders of science.

Of course it is caused by intelligence, but it is the intelligence that gave the cells their automatic plans of action. See this website showing how macrophages, giant cells of immunity engulf an enemy.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/watch-a-predatory-immune-cell-capture-and-engulf-its...

"Immune cells such as macrophages sense biochemical cues in their environment to track down invaders and eventually engulf and neutralise them. (my bold)

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"But their finely evolved system of adhesion and bonding, used to hold onto their prey, has not been well-studied.

"Using microrobots instead of real microbes, the team's technique – which let them control how hard it was for a macrophage to get a grip on a target – showed the cells align with yielding prey to more easily drag it in.

"For more resistant prey, the cells employed a push-and-pull grappling method."

Comment:It is my belief that the way bacteria live and work is exactly mimicked by the cells in our bodies working for us. I view early evolution as a developmental process to prepare for these cells. Note the bolded statement about biochemical cues. See the video of cell in action.

DAVID: I accepted a stepwise process for the IM.

dhw: You wrote: “The organism freely tries a change and God approves or alters the change. The initiative starts with the organism, not God.” How can a mechanism that freely tries a change be anything but a free mechanism for change? The next “step” according to you is a divine dabble unless the work of the autonomous, intelligent, inventive mechanism has had his approval.

That is certainly stepwise, with an initial 'free' try for a change.

DAVID: The organisms makes an adaptation and God either accepts or adjusts. But we know evolution existed. You want God to wander around befuddled. The answer is simple God prefers evolving things, the evolving universe, evolving life.

dhw: You don’t have to wander around befuddled in order to conduct a scientific experiment. I am simply offering you different theistic hypotheses that will remove the illogicality of your own hypothesis, which is that God personally designed the different pre-whales, the monarch’s lifestyle and the weaverbird’s nest (plus millions of other organisms, lifestyles and natural wonders extant and extinct) in order to keep life going in order to produce humans. The intentional free-for-all spectacle, humans as an afterthought, an experimental quest for a creature resembling himself – all of these offer theistic alternatives that provide a logical explanation for the higgledy-piggledy history of evolution.

Your theorizing does fit a possible interpretation of past evolution, but it still presents a tentative God who is not sure of where He is going. I view God as a very purposeful guy who know exactly where He is taking things.