Evolution took a long time (Introduction)
dhw: I am leaning quite heavily towards intelligence, but I do not reject the possibility of “automaticity”. You, however, insist – despite your 50/50 – that organisms CANNOT be intelligent because they do not have a brain, and that I regard as pure prejudice.
David: The intelligence we see in single-celled organisms is in their reactions to stimuli which chemically appear to be automatic. Where does the decision making take place if it not automatic?
BBella: I do wholly reject the idea of "automaticity" except maybe in the case of machines built by humans.Nothing that is made (except by humans - that we know of) is automatic. Every thing that IS made from and within the universe, is ruled by the quantum world, which is where all decisions take place. Every thing has a degree of freedom within it's own purpose, but all is ruled by the ONE purpose of the quantum world. The quantum world/level is consciousness itself. This is how I see it.
We are certainly ruled by the quantum world which underlies everything, living and not living. I see the one purpose of the quantum world is God's purpose. He lives in quantum reality, a different level in which we live.
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