Evolution took a long time (Introduction)
DAVID: Again your humanizing assumptions that God needs entertaining. How do you know He was bored during His eternity? I don't.
dhw: I don’t “know” anything. You asked me why he would be willing to sacrifice control, and I have offered you a hypothetical explanation. How can one possibly attribute motivation without humanizing? My hypothesis is no more “humanizing” (and in my view is considerably more logical) than yours that he preprogrammed or dabbled every innovation, lifestyle and natural wonder in order to balance life in order to produce humans, because they matter to him and he wants to have a relationship with them although he chooses to remain hidden. (And the relationship becomes even more bizarre if he doesn't even have any thoughts or feelings like our own!)
God may be all purpose and no emotion. You keep adding the latter, by having Him look for entertainment. We don't know if He has "thoughts or feelings like our own".
DAVID: I add things up alternatively to the way you do. After all, I accept God exists, and you play at it.dhw: No question that we add things up differently. I don’t know why you think your acceptance of God’s existence somehow blots out all the anomalies in your two hypotheses. Even you have admitted that mine cannot be faulted in the way it fits the history of evolution.
You see anomalies where I see logical purpose. And yes, your view in its contorted way fits the story of evolution.
Complete thread:
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-06-08, 14:46
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
George Jelliss,
2011-06-09, 00:04
- Life\'s biologic complexity - David Turell, 2011-06-09, 14:48
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-07-14, 14:56
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-07-14, 15:05
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-07-15, 02:09
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-02, 14:53
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-03, 15:38
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-16, 19:00
- Life\'s biologic complexity - David Turell, 2011-09-19, 18:02
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-29, 18:03
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-30, 15:31
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-01, 02:21
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-01, 05:13
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-03, 19:45
- Life\'s biologic complexity - David Turell, 2011-10-16, 17:18
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-03, 19:45
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-01, 05:13
- Life\'s biologic complexity - David Turell, 2011-12-12, 17:59
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-10-01, 02:21
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-30, 15:31
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-16, 19:00
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-09, 15:26
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-10, 00:00
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions - David Turell, 2016-10-10, 18:03
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-10-11, 14:52
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-11, 18:47
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-10-12, 12:16
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-12, 14:49
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-10-13, 12:40
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-14, 01:47
- Life's biologic complexity: controlling zinc levels: - David Turell, 2016-11-03, 18:20
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-11-28, 17:50
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-11-29, 11:31
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-11-29, 19:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-11-30, 12:18
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-11-30, 15:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-01, 13:08
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-01, 19:03
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-02, 10:32
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-03, 00:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-03, 13:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-03, 14:31
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-04, 12:12
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-04, 17:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-05, 13:58
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-05, 15:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-06, 10:15
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-06, 16:24
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-07, 13:02
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-07, 18:36
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-08, 10:45
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-09, 01:06
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-09, 17:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-09, 19:32
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-10, 12:25
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-10, 22:36
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-11, 13:13
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-11, 21:19
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-12, 15:49
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-12, 17:40
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-13, 13:12
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-13, 19:52
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-14, 14:01
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-14, 18:41
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-15, 16:53
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-15, 20:45
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-16, 12:30
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-16, 20:17
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-17, 13:47
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-17, 15:05
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-18, 13:39
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-18, 21:51
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-19, 12:54
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-19, 18:35
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-20, 12:58
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-20, 19:24
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-21, 18:01
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-21, 21:14
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-22, 13:21
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-22, 16:08
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-23, 12:24
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-23, 18:13
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-24, 12:41
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-24, 18:17
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-27, 13:02
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-27, 18:21
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-28, 12:31
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-28, 19:23
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-29, 13:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-29, 18:54
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-30, 13:05
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-31, 00:59
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-31, 12:47
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-31, 15:48
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-01, 11:36
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-01, 19:30
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-02, 15:49
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-02, 17:50
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-03, 15:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-04, 00:25
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-04, 17:40
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-04, 18:35
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-05, 11:17
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-05, 18:20
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-06, 13:26
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 01:12
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-07, 13:03
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 18:45
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 20:31
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
dhw,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 21:16
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
dhw,
2017-01-09, 12:25
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning - David Turell, 2017-01-09, 17:25
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
dhw,
2017-01-09, 12:25
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 21:16
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
dhw,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Evolution took a long time -
BBella,
2017-01-07, 20:51
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 02:03
- Evolution took a long time -
BBella,
2017-01-08, 03:44
- Evolution took a long time - David Turell, 2017-01-08, 21:07
- Evolution took a long time -
BBella,
2017-01-08, 03:44
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 02:03
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-08, 13:45
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 21:14
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-09, 12:21
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-09, 15:06
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-10, 14:25
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-10, 17:33
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-11, 12:37
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-12, 01:49
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-12, 12:41
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-12, 23:19
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-13, 12:55
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-13, 20:11
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-14, 12:51
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-14, 21:47
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-15, 11:59
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-15, 19:05
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-16, 12:55
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-16, 16:25
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-17, 11:13
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-17, 20:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-18, 12:52
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-18, 18:19
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-19, 13:19
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-19, 15:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-20, 17:33
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-20, 21:18
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-21, 13:26
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-21, 15:23
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-22, 12:59
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-22, 15:04
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-23, 16:05
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-23, 19:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-24, 14:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-24, 15:32
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-25, 13:56
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-26, 02:02
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-26, 02:02
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-25, 13:56
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-24, 15:32
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-24, 14:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-23, 19:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-23, 16:05
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-22, 15:04
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-22, 12:59
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-21, 15:23
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-21, 13:26
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-20, 21:18
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-20, 17:33
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-19, 15:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-19, 13:19
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-18, 18:19
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-18, 12:52
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-17, 20:07
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-17, 11:13
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-16, 16:25
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-16, 12:55
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-15, 19:05
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-15, 11:59
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-14, 21:47
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-14, 12:51
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-13, 20:11
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-13, 12:55
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-12, 23:19
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-12, 12:41
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-12, 01:49
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-11, 12:37
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-10, 17:33
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-10, 14:25
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-09, 15:06
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-09, 12:21
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-08, 21:14
- Evolution took a long time: C elegans learning -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 20:31
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 18:45
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-07, 13:03
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-07, 01:12
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-06, 13:26
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-05, 18:20
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-05, 11:17
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-04, 18:35
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-04, 17:40
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-04, 00:25
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-03, 15:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-02, 17:50
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-02, 15:49
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2017-01-01, 19:30
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2017-01-01, 11:36
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-31, 15:48
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-31, 12:47
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-31, 00:59
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-30, 13:05
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-29, 18:54
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-29, 13:29
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-28, 19:23
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-28, 12:31
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-27, 18:21
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-27, 13:02
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-24, 18:17
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-24, 12:41
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-23, 18:13
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-23, 12:24
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-22, 16:08
- Evolution took a long time -
dhw,
2016-12-22, 13:21
- Evolution took a long time -
David Turell,
2016-12-21, 21:14
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-21, 18:01
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-20, 19:24
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-20, 12:58
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-19, 18:35
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-19, 12:54
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-18, 21:51
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-18, 13:39
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-17, 15:05
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-17, 13:47
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-16, 20:17
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-16, 12:30
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-15, 20:45
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-15, 16:53
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-14, 18:41
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-14, 14:01
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-13, 19:52
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-13, 13:12
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-12, 17:40
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-12, 15:49
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-11, 21:19
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-11, 13:13
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-10, 22:36
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-10, 12:25
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-09, 19:32
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-09, 17:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-09, 01:06
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-08, 10:45
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-07, 18:36
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-07, 13:02
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-06, 16:24
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-06, 10:15
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-05, 15:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-05, 13:58
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-04, 17:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-04, 12:12
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-03, 14:31
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-03, 13:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-03, 00:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-02, 10:32
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-12-01, 19:03
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-12-01, 13:08
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-11-30, 15:33
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-11-30, 12:18
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-11-29, 19:28
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-11-29, 11:31
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-14, 01:47
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-10-13, 12:40
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-12, 14:49
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
dhw,
2016-10-12, 12:16
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-11, 18:47
- Life's biologic complexity: Automatic molecular actions -
David Turell,
2016-10-10, 00:00
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-03, 15:38
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-09-02, 14:53
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-07-15, 02:09
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
David Turell,
2011-07-14, 15:05
- Life\'s biologic complexity -
George Jelliss,
2011-06-09, 00:04