Evolution took a long time (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, February 03, 2017, 20:58 (2850 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Of course they are just guesses. You asked me why he would sacrifice control by giving organisms the means to direct their own evolution, and I gave you a guess. You volunteered your own belief “in a tough-love God who expects us to solve problems.” You believe in your humanized guess, so why is it unacceptable for you if I make a different humanized guess? Back to your double standards.

My complaint is you keep pushing me to analyze possible desires and motives that God might have. I don't logically know of any. My comments are just guesses that have no importance. I have simply concluded, as I've said before, humans are here. From that I've concluded God wanted that result. I propose nothing more. Because I do not want to humanize Him, as Adler warns He is a personality like no other personality. You are the one who struggles with humanization and create double standards.

dhw: See below for more of these authoritative statements about your God. I don’t know why I should have to read Adler to answer questions about your beliefs. You are a big boy now, David. Stand up for yourself, or reconsider your Adler-based beliefs if you can’t defend them.

Why can't I quote Adler to you, as I follow his teachings? I don't think he needs defense.

DAVID: I pray in my own strange way. I feel my life is guided for a purpose my whole life. Opportunities and directional guidance appeared all through my life. You appeared in my life, and look what has happened! I understand this idea in retrospect. It is unquestionable to me.

dhw: So perhaps in your own strange way, you believe that God does care about you as an individual, but in your unquestioning devotion to Adler you daren’t say so. In my quest for purpose (which you constantly accuse me of avoiding), I have asked what purpose you think your God has in seeking a relationship with us. You asked why else he would give us our consciousness, and I gave you an answer which you don’t like. If it is fair for you to ask me to guess his purpose, why should I not ask you to do the same?

I ask for purpose only because you bring it up all he time. You keep trying to view His thoughts as equivalent to human thoughts. I don't think one can or should.

dhw: In answer to your own question, what could provide greater variety of entertainment than an organism so advanced in its consciousness that it has almost unlimited potential powers of creation and destruction?

DAVID: God is all purposeful. Only humans need entertainment. God is NOT human in thought. Stop humanizing Him.

dhw: All purposeful does not exclude the purpose of deliberately creating a show for himself. How the heck do you know that God is NOT human in thought? You seem to think that you and Adler between you actually know your God’s mind! Maybe your God specially created humans “in his own image”, i.e. with a consciousness that enables them to “communicate” with him, and so why should you assume that we have no thoughts/feelings in common? Stop pretending you and Adler know how God thinks. Your authoritative assumptions have no more validity than my hypotheses.

Both Adler and I to not accept anything human about God. Why do you?