Evolution took a long time (Introduction)

by BBella , Sunday, January 08, 2017, 03:41 (2877 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: That suits me fine. How does the organism FREELY try a change if it does not have an autonomous, intelligent, inventive mechanism?

David: But it may well have a mechanism with God dabbling as necessary.

BBella: But if God consciously (or better said, God conscious) dwells within all that IS, God can just as easily (if not more easily) dabble from within all that IS. So that would mean God that dwells outside all that IS (if there is such), would not have to watch over all that IS (every thing) and say to himself..."oh, not doing as I choose, so I must dabble here or there". That really makes no sense. At the quantum level, nothing is automatic and nothing is an automaton. So it makes no sense to say that God dabbles. All that IS, is what it IS, because at a quantum level, all is connected and moving towards a dual purpose: it's own purpose as well as the purpose of the whole.

It all depends on whether God is in or out of everything. I believe He is both within and without the universe, and He causes speciation. The issue from the dhw standpoint is whether organisms have enough intelligence to make their own changes, and I don't think so.

How is God then in "every thing" if the "thing" cannot make it's own changes?

Can they adapt, yes, in minor ways. What I call dabbling is God stepping in

Why does God have to "step in" when God is already in every thing?

to create species. As for quantum mechanics, I think that is God's way of creating the universe. The entire universe s totally connected and follows His purpose. And the universe is conscious, which I think is an expression of God's consciousness. For me human consciousness is an extension of universal God consciousness.

So, what you are saying above is that God generated/created every thing thru quantum mechanics (or God conscious) and is connected to the entire universe and ALL follows His will and/or purpose. That being so, why would God ever have to dabble when ALL is already following God's conscious will/purpose? Is God "dabbling" just your way of saying something suddenly changed for no earthly known reason so it had to be God's will/purpose that it changed?