New Miscellany (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, February 05, 2025, 16:41 (29 days ago) @ dhw

First life

DAVID: Yes, I'm fully aware just 0.1% survived, but look at the glorious result: the magnificent variety of living resources for human to use.

dhw: Your statement had nothing to with the wonders of the present world. Your claim that “All that evolved is here today for our use” is sheer nonsense, because approx. 99% of what evolved is not here today, and could not have been for our use. Only 1% is here today, and even that does not mean it was all designed for our use!

When one realized God did it as His goal, it all makes sense.

T-cells and immunity

DAVID: Fully explained previously: side effects of God's good works. He gave us life. Should He take it back?

Stop dodging! You challenged my point that millions of people died from cancer, which means your God’s 3.8-billion-years-old instructions failed in millions of cases. Another example of his inefficiency. Why do you keep ridiculing him? Maybe you’re wrong, and he did NOT issue instructions 3.8 billion years ago! Let’s consider your new entry on the same subject:

QUOTES: "Indeed, this study […]supports the involvement of multiple APC types in the cascade of events leading to long-term tolerance of food antigens. […] The authors proposed that these RORγt-expressing cells played an important part in tolerance induction immediately following food antigen exposure, while cDCs took on a larger role at slightly later time points.

“So, it's a compartmentalization of dietary versus pathogen-derived antigens by different antigen-presenting cells.'”

DAVID: […] This could not develop by chance since it manages the diet of hominins from early Erectus to sapiens over millions of years, constantly changing antigens to handle.

dhw: I don’t know why you’ve singled out hominins, since these experiments were carried out on mice. I agree as regards chance. The article shows how the process has developed through cells communicating, adapting, changing roles and cooperating in response to different demands at different times. And so maybe instead of your God issuing inefficient instructions 3.8 billion years ago, he gave cells the autonomous ability to make their own designs and decisions, and success or failure depended on them and not on him. Worth considering? Or do you still insist on your God's inefficiency?

My use of the word inefficiency applied only to His use of evolution. Don't expand its meanings to specific DN A instructions.

The brain

dhw: I have pointed out that the brain is a community of cell communities, all of which cooperate with one another. If your God gave our brain cells autonomy, why do you think he was incapable of giving autonomy to all cells?

DAVID: It was not required While you constantly plead for nonexistent intelligent deigning cells.

dhw: What was not required? Some sort of intelligence was/is required for survival, adaptation and innovation. You plead for a 3.8-billion-year-old set of instructions which sometimes fail, but you agree that our brain cells do their own intelligent designing. Why do you think it is impossible for God to have given the same ability to all kinds of cells?

Neurons self-design following instructions.

Extremophiles

dhw: Nobody will deny that this portion has conditions suitable for life! That does not mean that the unknown rest of the universe is also “fine-tuned” for life.

It is assumed so.

dhw: And we needn’t dwell on your absurd belief that every species and ecosystem for the first 3.X000,000,000 years of life’s history was specially designed for the sake of the humans who were not even around at the time.

DAVID: All evolutionary preparation for our arrival.

dhw: There we go again! 99% of species and ecosystems had no connection with us and our food. You have confirmed above that only 1% have evolved into the current world, but you still disagree with yourself.

I don't slice up a continuous evolution as you do.