Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:46 (15 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.

dhw: I’m glad you are acknowledging the lack of logic in some of your beliefs, as opposed to your constant insistence, for example, that it is perfectly logical for your God to specially design millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders although his only purpose was to specially design humans. Frankly, I see no reason to take such things on faith when even you acknowledge that there are other, perfectly logical theistic explanations of the history of evolution.

Once again you are totally inconsistent. Either God can choose to evolve humans from bacteria or He shouldn't have. You can't have it both ways. Your 'logical theistic explanations' always humanize God.

dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. [...]

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

dhw: Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

DAVID: Perhaps you might consider that God put some of His intelligence into cellular instructions.

dhw: But then I would have to ask myself why he would preprogramme or dabble every single action by every single species of plant, animal, insect, bird, fish etc. if his only purpose was to specially design H. sapiens. Your answer on the cosmology thread was: “To get from bacteria to humans required all the 'non-human elements'.” A good example of your belief that “not everything is totally logical” and of your having to resort to faith as your only answer.

It is totally logical to believe that God chose to evolve humans from a start with bacteria.

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