Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Monday, June 10, 2019, 15:17 (102 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

DAVID: Yes, I have rigid beliefs. You are the one floating around with no beliefs.

dhw: That is the driving force behind most of our discussions. I question your rigid beliefs and offer alternatives, especially when your rigid beliefs seem to lack logical coherence.

That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.


dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. Some scientists would argue that this denotes a particular form of intelligence, and yes indeed, I would suggest that the intelligence (perhaps God-given) but not the evolutionary developments themselves would have been part of the original design. Your own bold identifies the material means by which plants make the necessary adjustments.

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

dhw: Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

Perhaps you might consider that God put some of His intelligence into cellular instructions


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