Concepts of God: God does not exist in time (The nature of a \'Creator\')
dhw: If he can and does work in our time/universe, then it is absurd to say he does not exist in our time and universe. What do you mean by he is “timeless” if you don’t mean he is eternal? How does eternal-ness come to mean that he does not exist in time? It simply means he has no beginning and no end. That does not exclude the “passage of time”, as evinced by what you believe was the creation of the universe from an unknown “before” through sequence after sequence of time-dependent causes and effects.
DAVID: God works in our time, which means a portion of His consciousness is here at work. But that is just an extension from His real existence which is eternal andoutside the universe He created. We agree.
I don’t know what you mean by his “real” existence. Being eternal does not mean that he is unreal when he is busy creating sequences of causes and effects, which he could hardly do if he did not exist inside the universe and inside time. But I’m glad you agree, and we can make our way out of this particular cul de sac.
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I will have to return later to answer yesterday's remaining posts. I'm very pressed for time, which is all too real at the moment!
OK
Complete thread:
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-06, 15:42
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-06, 16:38
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-07, 12:47
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 02:31
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-08, 13:39
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 15:19
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-09, 12:42
- Concepts of God: how I think about God - David Turell, 2016-04-09, 16:18
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-09, 12:42
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 15:19
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-08, 13:39
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 02:31
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
dhw,
2016-04-07, 12:47
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-07, 17:34
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-08, 13:32
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 15:13
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-09, 12:38
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-09, 16:16
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-09, 12:38
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-10, 08:22
- Concepts of God - dhw, 2016-04-10, 14:21
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-10, 08:23
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-10, 14:29
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-11, 01:15
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-11, 13:37
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-11, 15:53
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-12, 14:54
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-12, 16:16
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-12, 14:54
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-11, 15:53
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-11, 13:37
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-14, 00:28
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-14, 01:08
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-14, 16:11
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-14, 18:08
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-15, 14:31
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-15, 15:47
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-15, 14:31
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-15, 22:21
- Concepts of God - dhw, 2016-04-16, 09:31
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-17, 12:48
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-20, 07:49
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-20, 15:48
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:31
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-22, 02:37
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-23, 07:03
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:25
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-04-23, 16:18
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-23, 20:54
- Concepts of God - romansh, 2016-04-23, 20:57
- Concepts of God - dhw, 2016-04-24, 13:22
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:25
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:31
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-20, 15:48
- Concepts of God -
BBella,
2016-04-20, 07:49
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-17, 14:54
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 15:30
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-17, 15:48
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 21:16
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-22, 02:03
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 05:23
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-22, 16:27
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 19:47
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 02:17
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 06:08
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 20:50
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 22:23
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 23:30
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 02:13
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 17:38
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 19:01
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:17
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-25, 00:45
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-05-01, 20:43
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-05-01, 21:00
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-05-01, 21:29
- Concepts of God - David Turell, 2016-05-02, 00:08
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-05-01, 21:29
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-05-01, 21:00
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-06, 00:22
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-06, 13:10
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-06, 20:16
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-07, 13:40
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-07, 14:51
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-08, 13:12
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-08, 14:33
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-09, 14:23
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-09, 20:31
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-10, 13:54
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-10, 15:02
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-11, 12:42
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-11, 14:38
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-12, 13:37
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-12, 15:35
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-13, 13:03
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-13, 15:02
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-14, 12:04
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-14, 15:10
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-14, 21:12
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-15, 13:06
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-15, 14:41
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-11-18, 18:27
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-18, 19:26
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-18, 23:15
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-19, 13:13
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-20, 01:00
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-20, 12:52
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-20, 19:42
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-21, 10:37
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-21, 20:04
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-22, 10:01
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-22, 22:51
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way - dhw, 2019-11-23, 10:28
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-22, 22:51
- Concepts of God: proof of God by Max Planck -
David Turell,
2021-02-09, 04:17
- Concepts of God: proof of God by Max Planck -
dhw,
2021-02-09, 12:48
- Concepts of God: proof of God by Max Planck -
David Turell,
2021-02-09, 18:19
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-26, 20:37
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-02-27, 09:23
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-27, 14:34
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-02-28, 09:03
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 15:15
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-01, 13:06
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-01, 15:21
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-02, 12:49
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-02, 15:14
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-03, 11:11
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-03, 16:01
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-04, 11:16
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-04, 15:09
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-05, 11:34
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-05, 15:06
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-06, 09:50
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-06, 15:14
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-07, 15:47
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time - David Turell, 2021-03-08, 01:00
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-07, 15:47
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-06, 15:14
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-06, 09:50
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-05, 15:06
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-05, 11:34
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-04, 15:09
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-04, 11:16
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-03, 16:01
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-03, 11:11
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-02, 15:14
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-02, 12:49
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-03-01, 15:21
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-03-01, 13:06
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-28, 15:15
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-02-28, 09:03
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-27, 14:34
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
dhw,
2021-02-27, 09:23
- Concepts of God: God does not exist in time -
David Turell,
2021-02-26, 20:37
- Concepts of God: proof of God by Max Planck -
David Turell,
2021-02-09, 18:19
- Concepts of God: proof of God by Max Planck -
dhw,
2021-02-09, 12:48
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-22, 10:01
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-21, 20:04
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-21, 10:37
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-20, 19:42
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-20, 12:52
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-20, 01:00
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
dhw,
2019-11-19, 13:13
- Concepts of God: proof of God by St. Thomas' Fifth Way -
David Turell,
2019-11-18, 23:15
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-18, 19:26
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-11-18, 18:27
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-15, 14:41
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-15, 13:06
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-14, 21:12
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-14, 15:10
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-14, 12:04
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-13, 15:02
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-13, 13:03
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-12, 15:35
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-12, 13:37
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-11, 14:38
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-11, 12:42
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-10, 15:02
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-10, 13:54
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-09, 20:31
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-09, 14:23
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-08, 14:33
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-08, 13:12
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-07, 14:51
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-07, 13:40
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
David Turell,
2017-11-06, 20:16
- Concepts of God: universe too big for Him? -
dhw,
2017-11-06, 13:10
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-05-01, 20:43
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-25, 00:45
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:17
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 19:01
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 17:38
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 02:13
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 23:30
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 22:23
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 20:50
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 06:08
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-23, 02:17
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 19:47
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-22, 16:27
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 05:23
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-22, 02:03
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 21:16
- Concepts of God -
romansh,
2016-04-17, 15:48
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 15:30
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-14, 18:08
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-11, 01:15
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-10, 14:29
- Concepts of God -
David Turell,
2016-04-08, 15:13
- Concepts of God -
dhw,
2016-04-08, 13:32
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-15, 14:37
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-15, 16:00
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-16, 09:26
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-16, 16:07
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-17, 13:11
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 15:26
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-18, 14:09
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-18, 18:20
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-19, 13:31
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-19, 16:23
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-20, 12:48
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-20, 19:13
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:44
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 02:55
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-22, 15:00
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 19:28
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:04
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 15:53
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-24, 12:58
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 15:04
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-25, 12:20
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-25, 15:01
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-26, 20:49
- Origin of God? - David Turell, 2016-04-27, 00:54
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-26, 20:49
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-25, 15:01
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-25, 12:20
- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 17:29
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 18:55
- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:08
- Origin of God? - David Turell, 2016-04-25, 00:36
- Origin of God? -
romansh,
2016-04-24, 23:08
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 18:55
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-24, 15:04
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-24, 12:58
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-23, 15:53
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-23, 13:04
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 19:28
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-22, 15:00
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-22, 02:55
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-21, 13:44
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-20, 19:13
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-20, 12:48
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-19, 16:23
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-19, 13:31
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-18, 18:20
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-18, 14:09
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-17, 15:26
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-17, 13:11
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-16, 16:07
- Origin of God? -
dhw,
2016-04-16, 09:26
- Origin of God? -
David Turell,
2016-04-15, 16:00
- Concepts of God: how I think about God -
David Turell,
2016-04-06, 16:38